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Breeding Tylototriton cf. kweichowensis!

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Crocodile Newts (Tylototriton & Echinotriton)... Two popular genera of Asian newts, the crocodile newts are diverse of habit, habitat, and appearance. The Mandarin or Emperor Newt, Tylototriton shanjing, is highly sought after.

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The last word in "caudata"-fashion in Russia is keeping of "black head shanjing" (Tylototriton cf. kweichowensis). In spite of the fact that my actual caudata-collection has already 6 species of the genus Tylototriton I bought the new unknown species in number of six very big newts: 2 females (one is very big and old) and 4 males.

They live in aquaterrarium (110x26x46 cm), 70% "land" and 30% water (12-13 cm deep). The volume of weter is 20 litres. Air temperature is 18-22 C. There are floating plants in the water part (unfortunately I don't know what is this). The "land" is big even stones without short ontiguity (with cleft for the hiding of the newts) and coated by big leaves of liana Epipremnum pinnatum. The aquaterrarium also has hidden under stones the system of filtration of water (air-lift) and the aeration of water from air-stone.
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The principal food for my T. cf. kweichowensis are earthworms and a lesser extent pieces of beef hearts beforehand soaked in "JBL TerraVit fluid" with addition of "JBL MicroCalcium". Also I add sometimes in their food ration cut slice of my numerous land snails Achatina fulica. The newts are very gluttonous but rather dovish!


I found a lot of eggs at the bottom of aquaterrarium and between stones in late July. I decided to breed them end from time to time I used artificial showers (according to popular belief of "Russian urodela school" it helps in the breeding of same newts). But I think that the primary reason was low air pressure with two days of torrential downpour (almost all July was drought in Moscow).
Here is a photo of the spent female. The photo of the most probable male-begetters.
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I was of opinion that the female put the eggs between the stones (as my Neurergus kaiseri) and on the bottom ot the aquaterrarium. But I observed in 23 October 2011 the begining of the second laying of eggs and I understood my delusion. Female tries to attach the eggs by hind extremities on the floating plants. But the floating plants are not thick so the eggs fall on the bottom end after that the newts by stream from their tails send the eggs in the stones.
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The second briding was provoked by full change of water!
I drew a conclusion that the eggs were fertile every other week. I gathed the eggs from aquaterrarium to big plastic box. I made a present of the bigger half of eggs to my friend-urodelist.
Unfortunately my portion of eggs perished from the fungus... But eventually I caught 8 larvae in the filter of aquaterrarium: luckily I gathed not all eggs... (My friend got 16 larvae, but now he has only 4 specimens).
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The larvae are predatory and frequently they bite off the tails, gills and limbs each other. Therefore I decided to separate the larvae singly.
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The begining of metemorphosis
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I waited for hatching larvae of the second breeding butI went to hospital for 12 days. New larvae starved to death... But I caught 5 larvae and now they grow very well. By the way, the appetite and behaviour of my reproductive female indicate me that it is to be expected the third briding in November/December.

I have only 2 famales of Tylototriton shanjing. During 5 years I try to buy even if one male. I am man busy and have 3 children so I cannot constantly read price-lists of pet-shops. From time to time T. shanjing come into season but other urodelists are prompt that me. So because of the hopelessness I have decided cross Tylototriton cf. kweichowensis with Tylototriton shanjing... But the 2 famales of Tylototriton shanjing are "frigid" with males of other species!?

All my 7 (and may be +5) young newts (F2) have a strong resemblance to each other and especially to their parents ("hypothetical" F1) without any deviation to T. kweichowensis or T. shanjing... So I can draw a conclusion that it isn't "Tylototriton cf. kweichowensis", this is independent (may be endangered) species according to Mendel's Laws. But the final decision we will have only after the reproduction of the my "7 young newts" (approximately in 2013-2014), we'll have to wait and see...
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The eighth larva is albino (flavistic?). All his brothers run on the land but this individual is habitual larva... My life experience indicates that it is not "viable child" so I put paid to this white specimen, I am sure that the larva will die during the metamorphosis. But who knows?
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I shall inform you about the fast-growing "Tylototriton cf. kweichowensis" cubs from time to time.


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I think that you can unscramble "my English"... I write with Russian-English dictionary (I learnt Franch at school and university) so it is difficult for me to answer to you, pardon...



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I love your set ups and great looking newts, fantastic photos.
Do you have a divider between the land area or is it made up of just pebbles, it looks great, it is always good to see how others keep their newts, they look very healthy, congratulations.
I have just managed to get 10 CB Shanjing bred at Frankfurt zoo, i cant wait for them to grow!



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Congratulation Alex! I'm impressed for both aquarium and animals. You are a great Tylototriton breeders that in my opinion are between the most beautifull newts. how long it took to pass from the larval stage to adult?

PS: don't worry for your english! Mine it's not good at all. What I think is important is that we can comunicate and share hour skills and informations and you did it perfectly.

PPS: Crossed fingers for the albino



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That's truly brilliant! I've got my T.cf.kweichowensis this summer. I really hope I can breed them as well. Thanks for your great info!



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Your English is fine and your newts are even finer!! Best of luck with them, hope it rubs off on me!



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Fantastic!!! Congrats on your breeding success!!

Those are beautiful newts, thank you for sharing! I look forward to seeing updates.

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WOW!!!!!!!! I hope that is me in a couple months. Good job!



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Your tanks are awesome I wish I could find some eggs or babies of these kinds.



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Well done Alex. Thats was a nice success. I own myself 4 CB of this 'species' right now. superb newts for sure. Dont know were are you located but you should try some contact with Andrei Shmatchenko (Краснода́р) and Mikhail Bagaturov (Санкт-Петербург), they are both also successful breeding a few rare newt species incl Tylototritons and great guys. This species as much of Tylototriton's excl verrucosus (only one year for sexual maturity) are really slow growers. Might take to these around 3-4years old till they are mature enough to be breed once more. Gonna be a very exciting trip till then watching them get buffer and bigger as I'm also loving. Since got mine in june only 5-7mm were added to their size and been feeding mine nicely How long are yours tail tip to nose tip? Mine around 6-7cm.. I love the mature larvae pictures. Simply superb to see adult coloration blooming like that in a larva. Remembers me when I raised T.verrucosus larvae... And they are way more dull, seeing those in real life should be even more neat :))

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Your tank makes me curious. Would a 25 gallon plastic container be good enough for four cf kweichows? The only land is a brick sticking out of the water and a medium sized turtle. I have plenty of live plants, a repti filter and the water is about 8 inches deep. Is this good enough?



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I have been thinking about renovating my kweichow habitat, and these photos give me some good ideas!

Frogman - you don't mean a real turtle, do you? I think that a 25-gallon enclosure is a little small for 4 of this species, and you probably need more land area.

For comparison purposes, Alex's tank (110x26x46 cm) is roughly equivalent to a US 55-gallon tank.



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Sorry turtle dock



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Thanks to all!

Davo, I have not a divider between the land area. The system of filtration takes water in the water part of aquaterrarium (you can see the white silicon tube in the third picture) and throws the water in the bunker-filter (mechanical purification of water) hidden under one big stone in the opposite corner of aquaterrarium. Thereby all the pebbles are "biofilter" of water.


Jennewt: "I have been thinking about renovating my kweichow habitat, and these photos give me some good ideas!". Jennewt, see also The second life of jar



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Would a 30 gallon be good?



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Hi all!
The latest news from my Tylototriton cf. kweichowensis: the third successful breeding (10 April 2012) during last 10 months.
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The fresh spermatophores:
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The female is laying eggs (draw attention to cloaca):
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There are deficiencies in the floating plants, therefore the grasps of the plants by the female are causes of the fall of eggs to aquarium bottom.
But the eggs advance nearly 100 percent!
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By the way, the newts from the second breeding coped the metamorphosis and they are in good demand, "business" is brisk!
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I have 5 newts from the first breeding (unfortunately the albino died during metamorphosis). They are sufficiently great (10 cm), but I don't sell them, I'll try to breed them for the proof that this is established independent species.



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This is great, I'm from China also to try Tylototriton cf. The breeding kweichowensis, I observed a male remain in the water, but the female vent colonization anal obvious bulge.I hope to learn from you.
One of the females is very thin, and I hope you will give me help to make it healthy.
Sorry my English is poor. I hope you will be able to read.
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That's awesome news! I'm hoping for some eggs at this moment, because the females are really gravid. At this moment the male's in the water and the females spent most of their time gathered near the waters edge. Will try to increase the humidity with some showering like you did. Hope this will do the trick. Hoping for low air pressure.



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Hi xingganli!
We treat newts for the thinness illness by Tripaflavin-Uitra (Saint Petersburg, Russia) or Furan-2 (USA)

We very often receive Tylototriton from China (our southern neighbor) with skin diseases (in Russian): Профилактика новых амфибий | Аквариумный, террариумный, прудовой форум Живая вода

We treat newts by mixture of TERBINAFINE + TRICHOPOL + Ciprofloxacin (one pill of each drug by 10 l of water).

Niels D, thou makest a mistake: there are no Hygrophila difformis (or similar floating plants) in the water part of aquaterrarium!!!



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Beautiful animals and I offer my congratulations as well. Tylotototriton can be a frustrating genus to work with so it is always encouraging to hear of breeding accounts. Well done!
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Niels D, thou makest a mistake: there are no Hygrophila difformis (or similar floating plants) in the water part of aquaterrarium!!!
I don't understand. Did I say something about plants?



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