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Salamandra taxonomy

This is a discussion on Salamandra taxonomy within the Fire Salamanders (Salamandra) forums, part of the Species, Genus & Family Discussions category; Just browsing and musing, and playing with the NCBI Taxonomy Browser: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy...x.cgi?id=57569 OK, so it says "The NCBI taxonomy database ...

Fire Salamanders (Salamandra) The first salamanders described, this diverse genus of species and subspecies can be found throughout Europe and the Near-East. They are the animals that first come to mind when most people hear the word "salamander".

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Old 17th November 2004   #1 (permalink)
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Just browsing and musing, and playing with the NCBI Taxonomy Browser:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy...x.cgi?id=57569
OK, so it says "The NCBI taxonomy database is not an authoritative source for nomenclature or classification - please consult the relevant scientific literature for the most reliable information." Well, the most authoratative source I know is right here, so...
Salamandra s. terrestris is not listed in the NCBI browser - which of the listed species is it most similar to?

Also, Serge I notice you didn't include terrestris in your paper:
From Europe to Africa and vice versa: evidence for multiple intercontinental dispersal in ribbed salamanders (Genus Pleurodeles). Veith M, Mayer C, Samraoui B, Barroso DD, Bogaerts S. JOURNAL OF BIOGEOGRAPHY 31 (1): 159-171 JAN 2004.
Is there a specific reason for this?



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Alann...the paper is about Pleurodeles not Salamandra...so why should we include S.s.terrestris? Don't understand the question...

By the way the authoritative website for nomenclature on amphibians is: http://research.amnh.org/herpetology...bia/index.html and there terrestris is a subspecies of Salamandra salamandra.



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Thank you for the link, very informative.

The reason for asking about terrestris is that there a lot of Salamandra mt cytochome B sequences listed in Genbank with that paper as the reference, but terrestris is not listed, e.g:

LOCUS AY336658 398 bp DNA linear VRT 28-FEB-2004
DEFINITION Salamandra salamandra salamandra cytochrome b (cytb) gene, partial
cds; mitochondrial.
ACCESSION AY336658
VERSION AY336658.1 GI:37911178
KEYWORDS .
SOURCE mitochondrion Salamandra salamandra salamandra
ORGANISM Salamandra salamandra salamandra
Eukaryota; Metazoa; Chordata; Craniata; Vertebrata; Euteleostomi;
Amphibia; Batrachia; Caudata; Salamandroidea; Salamandridae;
Salamandra.
REFERENCE 1 (bases 1 to 398)
AUTHORS Veith,M., Mayer,C., Samraoui,B., Donaire Barroso,D. and Bogaerts,S.
TITLE From Europe to Africa and vice versa: evidence for multiple
intercontinental dispersal in ribbed salamanders (Genus
Pleurodeles)
JOURNAL J. Biogeogr. 31 (1), 159-171 (2004)
REFERENCE 2 (bases 1 to 398)
AUTHORS Veith,M., Mayer,C., Samraoui,B., Donaire Barroso,D. and Bogaerts,S.
TITLE Direct Submission
JOURNAL Submitted (05-JUL-2003) Ecology, University Mainz, Institute of
Zoology, Saarstrasse 21, Mainz 55099, Germany



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Alan, I think on Salamandra there must be much more Genbank data available but if they are all cyt B? I don't know. but i know Steinfartz and others (amongst them me of Salamandra algira with help from Salvador Carranza) have put Salamandra data in the Genbank.



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I'm guessing that because the Salamandra cytochrome B entries refer to your Pleurodeles paper, they are outgroups used to root dendrograms. I was interested because I would like to validate my new PCR assays. I'll try and get the paper from www.caudata.ru - thanks.



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