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Liua shihi no info at all

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Hynobiid Salamanders (Hynobiidae) This group of Far Eastern salamanders are becoming increasingly popular in captivity, and thanks to the captive breeding efforts of one European hobbyist in particular (you know who I mean), they are becoming easier and easier to acquire.

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Hey there. I am on final to get a group of 5 adults from this species but i am reluctant in abort it because I cant see any info at all on the web... These is literally nothing about these species besides tons of pictures. No info on breeding methods, keeping... nothing at all... Does anybody haves some PDF papers of some info storage or either some foreign site with good info that could be shared? Then PM me please of write down here please.
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Default Re: Liua shihi no info at all

Raffaelli has this to say in Les Urodeles du Monde (rough translation):

"[Use] a large aquarium with flowing water and numerous rocks forming caves. Between and 5 and 18 degrees C. Feed abundantly, the animals are voracious and very aggressive."

Basically it sounds a bit like giant Pachytriton.....

I'm afraid that there is nothing on breeding etc, but that should start in the right direction, at least. Possibly following similar protocols as for breeding Pachytriton (there is a thread about breeding pachytriton somewhere in the Paramesotriton/Pachytriton section) might work, as they are form a similar environment.

I have a photo of the habitat in Zhao et al' (1988) 'Studies on Chinese Salamanders'. Unfortunately this doesn't have any notes, other than them living quite high up, which fits with the cold water requirement. I will scan the picture for you in a mo and put it on.

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Here are the pictures;
top = adult (abviously),
middle = egg masses attached to rocks; taken in May ,
bottom = habitat; Wushan Co., Sichuan, China. 1460m asl. - you can probably find out about water hardness etc in this area.

Hope this helps

(NB if you click on the thumbnail, then click again, you can zoom on the pic and get a better look).
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Chris,

thank you so much!

Ive never seen egg sacs and habitat... So thank you for it.
Also thanks for info on temperatures. I have heard that they should be maintained between smaller range. Good they can go up to 18C

I believe pH and gH will be exactly like my streams in here. Maybe just a bit less since Madeiras rock nature is basaltic (basic magma) and china is obviously made of granite (acid magma) So imitate my islands stream should be the key for all... I guess... The problem comes from how to maintain water temps so small.
A big aquarium might get around 22C here in summer witch is not good. In winter it might get as low as only 15C. So keeping them lower will be extremely hard. :/
For breeding it might need to get lower to 5C or less witch i could use the fridge (2C) Problem is that i would have too keep them in small tupperwares individually and with no water current... Would this allow breeding or not at all? They might really difficult to breed by these factors.

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Not a problem.

Perhaps, if the temperatures will be so much of a problem, a more warm-loving species may be a better option...

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I see. Perhaps some Pachyhynobius shangchengensis could be more warm loving than Liua?

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According to Rafaelli, the care of Pachyhynobius is almost identical to that of Liua, with the same temperature requirements. They both come from cold mountain streams.
If you want to keep hynobiids, some of the lowland Hynobius may be more suitable, although they will not tolerate very high temps. Perhaps with some sort of cooling apparatus; there are threads and maybe a CC aaticle on tank cooling.



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I remember that a German keeper, (J. Fleck) produced some short articles (in German) about keeping the species.

e.g. in the journal of the German Urodela Group "Amphibia" (vol. 9, nr.1, 2010) there is an article about L. shihi:

-winter time 10-12C, summer for short time 20-21C, kept in aquaria in basement
-he has experience with maximum water temps in an outdoor aquarium of 30C for short time, without any negative effects to the newts, besides they ate less!
-he is not aware of successful reproduction in captivity

I think in central China winter temperature will frequently fall below zero and temperature in mountains streams will drop below 10C

you could try a year round outdoor keeping at a shady place with one part of the group.



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Hey Markus. Thank you very much for your info! Really very good to ear it. I will just not put that in practise because i am going to move from the place i am now and its impossible to me at this moment. Anyway your info and advises are safe and recorded to prior use!! Do you know if Dr. Jurgen Fleck will be at urodela meeting in 2010/2011?

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Like Markus said, there's a great article in "amphibia" (nice little magazines) from ag urodela group. Just pay membership, get of your island and come to gersfeld.



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Yeah... I have intentions to do so... Lets see...



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Hey Markus. Thank you very much for your info! Really very good to ear it. I will just not put that in practise because i am going to move from the place i am now and its impossible to me at this moment. Anyway your info and advises are safe and recorded to prior use!! Do you know if Dr. Jurgen Fleck will be at urodela meeting in 2010/2011?

cheers,

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He will be there, I don't think he has ever missed this meeting.

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Perhaps those very high temepratures in the summer are why he has had no success breeding them...

There is a post somewhere in this forum recording a breeding of Pachyhynobius....it has some information about the conditions they were under.

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