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Aneides lugubris Double-Clutch Club

This is a discussion on Aneides lugubris Double-Clutch Club within the Plethodontids and Lungless Salamanders (Bolitoglossa, Eurycea, Plethodon, etc.) forums, part of the Species, Genus & Family Discussions category; OK, I'm in the club now, but I'm not so sure it's a good thing. I was feeding this afternoon ...

Plethodontids and Lungless Salamanders (Bolitoglossa, Eurycea, Plethodon, etc.) The largest, and one of the most diverse groups of salamanders, these salamanders have all evolved to breathe solely through their skin and are found almost exclusively in North America.

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Old 4th August 2006   #1 (permalink)
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OK, I'm in the club now, but I'm not so sure it's a good thing. I was feeding this afternoon and found my big old Seaside female half exposed with some eggs trailing her. Very unusual considering she has always deposited them properly under cover. Though I did just put her in a new (clean) container 12Jul06, so the recent disturbance may be to blame. After loosing her 40+ clutch from this spring, having removed them, I've decided to let these take their own course and hopefully a few are actually hanging in the right place.

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Old 20th August 2006   #2 (permalink)
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Well I (sort of) have a double clutch also-although from 2 different females. Both my long term girls laid within a week of each other.

In other Aneides news: I also have a female A.aeneus guarding a clutch right now. I am extremely excited about that! I wanted to get some pics, but was scared to take any risks at this point. Maybe next week I'll try to sneak a pic or two.



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Aeneus? WOW! How many eggs?



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Old 21st August 2006   #4 (permalink)
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This one caught me off guard because after four seasons of using the upside down clay pot bottoms, she has decided to use the underside of a slab of bark.

Is the female aeneus the one I gave you? I wouldn't bother her either, just too good to screw up for a peek. I'm pretty sure one of my A.vagrans has deposited somewhere. She was loaded and I haven't seen her in three weeks which is very unusual, but I'm reluctant to go poking around in the container.



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have you got a spare female russ? turns out all 3 of the offspring from my first batch that i kept are all male-or at least it seems that way. all have long teeth and one is starting to get its butt kicked by the others-which means at least 2 males in the group of 3. the long term co habitation of my original WC male with his female isnt doing well either. she is fine but must be stressing him out since hes been loosing weight-a lot of weight. i have him separated now but since she looks gravid i put one of her sons in with her just in case.



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Old 21st August 2006   #6 (permalink)
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That's illegal in most states besides AR (LOL!). The fighting is definitely a sign of a fraternity problem. I'll PM you.



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Old 21st August 2006   #7 (permalink)
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ever seen the mating dance? hes acting like a lizard almost to her now. hes head butting and bobbing trying to keep her attention.



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Old 21st August 2006   #8 (permalink)
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No. I hear the Ensatina do a good jig too. You'd think after all these years and so many specimens I'd witness something, prudes.



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Old 21st August 2006   #9 (permalink)
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Haha, I must admit, your wit about these creatures humors me Russ. Thanks for the chuckle and congrats on the clutch. What a fascinating bunch of animals to have recurring success with. Good luck with the eggs.



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Old 26th September 2006   #10 (permalink)
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Well, my double clutch had dwindled to one egg so I decided to remove it today. This is the first time this female has consumed hanging eggs, though she commonly ate any eggs lying on the ground. I suspect having cleaned her cage so recently before she deposited may have been more disturbance than she could tolerate. This is also the longest I ever left eggs with her, but I know she ate most of them a few weeks ago. So here's a pic of the lonely embryo, it probably has another 20 days to go. As a consolation though I found a clutch of A.vagran eggs today!!! No pics though, I'm going to leave them with the female and try not to disturb her too much.

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Thats a shame Russ, good luck with that last little egg though, it looks to be doing well.

Keep us updated on the vagrans, you definitely have a way with this genus -
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I'd like that over easy please.



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How may eggs of the vagrans Russ?



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It's a small clutch, ~7.



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