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fishkeeper 2nd January 2012 06:55

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
Temps in their retreats are likely a few degrees cooler than air temp, of course, But still quite fascinating.

So what water temperatures do P. ruber like then?

ozarkhellbender 26th January 2012 00:16

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fishkeeper (Post 319562)
Temps in their retreats are likely a few degrees cooler than air temp, of course, But still quite fascinating.

Exactly. So when it is 80+ Fahrenheit outside and I am finding Plethodon albagula or Eurycea longicauda melanopleura under rocks and logs, the temps under these rocks and logs should be at least in the mid-70's.

Aneides 11th March 2012 17:28

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
I currently keep:
WC Ensatina eschscholtzii xanthoptica
WC Ensatina eschscholtzii klauberi
Very easy to keep.

Aneides

Vort 29th March 2012 08:59

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
Currently keeping a single P. Cinereus. Looking to find something in Eurycea once I can find another cinereus, and they've settled into their new lives. I'm noticing P. Cinereus is not liking temps in the upper sixties, and climbs around on glass as a result, unless he is under something and feeling secure.

taherman 4th October 2012 00:45

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
To update, I've bred 11 and had eggs from 2 more now. Gyrinophilus is the only genus that has evaded me entirely. I'm not sure if I have pairs or not, which does impact the likelihood of breeding severely :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by taherman (Post 266260)
Sorry, miscounted in my head. 20+1 subspecies. Bred 7 and had eggs from an 8th which I am very very bitter about losing this year.

Aneides aeneus
Aneides flavipunctatus (niger)
Aneides lugubris
Bolitoglossa conanti
Bolitoglossa rufescens
Desmognathus aeneus
Desmognathus monticola
Desmognathus welteri
Ensatina eschscholtzii
Eurycea bislineata
Eurycea longicauda
Eurycea lucifuga
Eurycea wilderae
Gyrinophilus p. porphyriticus
Gyrinophilus p. duryi
Hemidactylium scutatum
Plethodon glutinosus
Plethodon petraeus
Plethodon yonahlossee
Pseudotriton montanus diastictus
Pseudotriton r. ruber


jaster 4th October 2012 03:56

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
So what were the new species you got to breed (besides the greens)? Also, how much success has come from trying to breed Gyrinophilus? Never really looked into that.


I recently lost my only Plethodon :(

otolith 4th October 2012 20:51

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
I have kept Aneides lugubris and had Ensatina eschscholtzii oregonensis breed in the past. I currently am only keeping European species and a handful of Taricha rivularis juveniles raised from eggs.

Lugubris 2nd January 2013 02:48

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
I have two A. lugubris and used to keep three B. attenuatus. I was planning on keeping only one A. lugubris because the other I found was stuck and injured, and I was planning on releasing him once I brought him up to a healthy weight and his broken arm healed. But they both have such a great personality. One of them has learned that the tongs I use to feed him has something to do with food and he will chase after it, flicking his tongue. The other one is like a monkey, climbing all over and even jumping from time to time. Their behavior is quite amusing and they have taken to captivity surprisingly well. The B. attenuatus I used to have did take food from tongs, but they were far more secretive and hated being exposed at all, so you would rarely see them.

ThatKid 26th May 2013 03:16

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
The only salamanders I have are two Plethodon glutinosus, but I may be catching some P. Ruber next week if I decide against getting the Pacman Frog

taherman 3rd June 2013 03:28

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jaster (Post 348902)
So what were the new species you got to breed (besides the greens)? Also, how much success has come from trying to breed Gyrinophilus? Never really looked into that.


I recently lost my only Plethodon :(

Wow, sorry. I guess I'm a little late on replying to this! Only by about 8 months...

*Aneides aeneus
Aneides flavipunctatus (niger)
xAneides lugubris
xBolitoglossa conanti
*Bolitoglossa rufescens
*Desmognathus aeneus
Desmognathus monticola
*Desmognathus welteri
Ensatina eschscholtzii
*Eurycea bislineata
*Eurycea longicauda
*Eurycea lucifuga
*Eurycea wilderae
Gyrinophilus p. porphyriticus
Gyrinophilus p. duryi
*Hemidactylium scutatum
*Plethodon glutinosus
Plethodon petraeus
Plethodon yonahlossee
*Pseudotriton montanus diastictus
*Pseudotriton r. ruber

I've bred the ones with a * by them. Had eggs from the x's. Got two clutches of conanti eggs developing now, but had some complications with their husbandry beyond my control...so cross your fingers. Of the others without success, the two big Plethodon are the only ones I don't have good excuses for not breeding (i.e. no pairs, insufficient numbers, etc.). They are not easy.

I keep 2 of each of those two Gyrinophilus subspecies at the zoo, but I'm still not sure how to sex them, and may not have pairs. I have never seen anything that looks like courtship, follicle development, reproductive behavior, etc.

As of early yesterday morning you can add Bolitoglossa salvinii to the list, thanks to heroic efforts on the part of my amigo and collaborator, Carlos Vasquez Almazan. Hopefully with John's help, caudata.org will be able to help up move our work in Guatemala forward too.

innoko 7th June 2013 19:17

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
As of yesterday, I'm a plethodontid keeper! Fiance caught a slimy for me, Plethodon cylindraceus, my first salamander, too. But I love the plethodontids, when I decided to keep sallies they were what I really wanted--I looked at a bunch of mole salamanders and the like, but I just think the little plethodontids native to my area are so charming. Looking forward to setting up a viv for this slimy and hoping to keep more plethodontids in the future. :)

Warren Spencer 19th August 2013 04:07

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
An Englishman living in the Netherlands.
I keep and breed Aneides lugubris and am interested to know of more European keepers of this species.
Cheers
Warren

conradryaan 19th August 2013 05:29

post a photo!

Warren Spencer 19th August 2013 16:36

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
Presuming you mean a photo of the Aneides,I have posted an image of one of the 2011 young in my album.
Thanks for looking.
Warren

Herphunter1998 21st August 2013 05:08

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
I have kept p. ruber schencki, eurycea longicauda, plethodon cylindraceus, plethodon cinereus, plethodon welleri desmognathus carolinensis desmognathus quadramaculatus and desmognathus monticola. so i consider myself a plethodontid keeper (:

taherman 4th January 2014 04:08

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
Diversified collections a bit this year, so I will update:

*Aneides aeneus
Aneides flavipunctatus (niger)
xAneides lugubris
*Bolitoglossa conanti
*Bolitoglossa rufescens
Bolitoglossa salvinii
*Desmognathus aeneus
Desmognathus monticola
Desmognathus ocoee
*Desmognathus welteri
Desmognathus wrighti
Ensatina eschscholtzii
*Eurycea bislineata
*Eurycea longicauda
*Eurycea lucifuga
*Eurycea wilderae
Gyrinophilus p. porphyriticus
Gyrinophilus p. duryi
*Hemidactylium scutatum
*Plethodon glutinosus
Plethodon petraeus
Plethodon shermani
Plethodon yonahlossee
*Pseudotriton montanus diastictus
*Pseudotriton r. ruber
Pseudotriton r. schencki
Urspelerpes brucei

ozarkhellbender 4th January 2014 21:31

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taherman (Post 401902)
Diversified collections a bit this year, so I will update:

*Aneides aeneus
Aneides flavipunctatus (niger)
xAneides lugubris
*Bolitoglossa conanti
*Bolitoglossa rufescens
Bolitoglossa salvinii
*Desmognathus aeneus
Desmognathus monticola
Desmognathus ocoee
*Desmognathus welteri
Desmognathus wrighti
Ensatina eschscholtzii
*Eurycea bislineata
*Eurycea longicauda
*Eurycea lucifuga
*Eurycea wilderae
Gyrinophilus p. porphyriticus
Gyrinophilus p. duryi
*Hemidactylium scutatum
*Plethodon glutinosus
Plethodon petraeus
Plethodon shermani
Plethodon yonahlossee
*Pseudotriton montanus diastictus
*Pseudotriton r. ruber
Pseudotriton r. schencki
Urspelerpes brucei

Now, the ones with the asterisks are the ones you're sending to my house, right? ;)

FrogEyes 5th January 2014 07:42

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
And the ones without are coming to my house :P

jaster 10th January 2014 20:22

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
I see you've upped the Desmogs a bit! I think they're my favorite genus to find in my section of the Blue Ridge. I even had a melanistic D. orestes a few years ago. That was very cool.

I would also like to try my hand at breeding Eurycea. I have all these unused aquariums that my head has been wrapped around. Thoughts of stonewall seeps and mossy creekbeds enclosed in glass...

As of right now, I'm only keeping a few frogs. Don't have the time or space for my salamander endeavors to get started. It's good to have dreams.


-Brad

ozarkhellbender 11th January 2014 19:51

Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?
 
Eventually, I'm going to make it down to the local introduced population of Desmognathus monticola here, and do my part to boost my salamander collection while at the same time helping out native species.


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