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Ambystoma mavortium and Ambystoma mavortium diaboli?

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Old 17th June 2017   #1 (permalink)
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Since I've gotten my 2 Tiger Salamanders I've been researching why they look so different from the typical pictures I've seen of Ambystoma tigrinum. It was then I learned of the other subspecies, and I think I have a Barred and Gray Tiger Salamander, but I would like to know other opinions.
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Hi, welcome to the site. :)
I'm no Tiger sal expert, but positive subspecies identification without knowing where the animals were collected is very problematic. Hopefully someone more familiar with them will give you their best guess.



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Yeah, unfortunately they were just under a sign that said Tiger Salamander with 3 very different looking individuals. I picked one and my fiance picked the other, and we got some care advice from one of the workers, but where they came from is unknown.



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Tiger salamander taxonomy is in a state of transition and uncertainty. What were once considered subspecies of tigrinum are now assigned to mavortium. The geographical lines between the subspecies are uncertain, and with the high variability of these animals, determining subspecies on appearance alone will be difficult and imprecise.
I think all anybody can do from this end is take a guess, so here's mine- I think that they're both A. m. mavortium. Although the specimen on the right has very little black, I don't think diaboli are known to be that yellow. All the specimens (or photos) that I have seen are gray or maybe olive colored.



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