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This is a discussion on Species ID help within the Warty Newts (Paramesotriton & Laotriton) & Paddletail Newts (Pachytriton forums, part of the Species, Genus & Family Discussions category; I'm thinking fuzhongensis or hongkongensis? Any help would be appreciated Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk...

Warty Newts (Paramesotriton & Laotriton) & Paddletail Newts (Pachytriton Often sold incorrectly as Japanese fire-bellied newts, these territorial newts are distinct from other genera and very interesting in their own right.

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I'm thinking fuzhongensis or hongkongensis? Any help would be appreciated

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I'd say Paramesotriton hongkongensis but that's a guess based purely on the it's prevalence in the pet trade, the size of warts and possibly the length of tail, although it's not easy to see in the photos. There's lots of variability and similarities across a number of Paramesotriton species, added to which some have been further sub divided into new species in recent years.



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I'd say that it looks like chinensis??



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According to a Paramesotriton species ID guide in the book "Salamanders keeping and breeding" by F. Pasmans, S. Bogaerts, H. Janssen, and M. Sparreboom, my guess would be they are P. chinensis. Hard to say for sure, though.



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I have both chinensis and honkonensis.. They have way too many warts to be honkonensis. Also honkonensis have visible ridges on their bodies. These guys don't really look like honkonensis much. One thing that is a bit different are the back patterns. My chinensis don't have those patters so I'm not sure about that.



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The lack of warts, the light coloured skin with some black dorsal spots, the way the end of the tail is coloured black and it's body shape make me tend to P.chinensis as well.



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It's definitely P. chinensis. There all over US pet stores right now shipping into fish distribution as rough back newts.



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