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This is a discussion on Laotriton laoensis within the Warty Newts (Paramesotriton & Laotriton) & Paddletail Newts (Pachytriton forums, part of the Species, Genus & Family Discussions category; Originally Posted by michael Where are you located? I'm not aware of a state in the U.S. that has outlawed ...

Warty Newts (Paramesotriton & Laotriton) & Paddletail Newts (Pachytriton Often sold incorrectly as Japanese fire-bellied newts, these territorial newts are distinct from other genera and very interesting in their own right.

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Where are you located? I'm not aware of a state in the U.S. that has outlawed Laotriton.
Like Frogeyes said, Paramesotriton is illegal in Oregon, where i'm located. Virtually all caudates are illegal here. JVK



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I recently bought a group of CB laoensis from Germany. I ultimately paid a little more per animal than what these adults are going for. I have also spoken with the importer of these animals and they were offered privately to some advanced hobbyists prior to the KS ad. If I had not just paid a lot of money for my import I would have purchased a group myself. Hopefully they will do well and breed for those who have purchased them.
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If as stated, these are young adults or subadults and they take several years to mature, then they could well have been collected as larvae or eggs prior to 2008.



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I got mine this morning. They came in great shape. They are adults. They were imported with a usfw permit. To me that means they are legal to have in the U.S. Lots of guessing goes on about legal questions. If they come in with paperwork it points in the direction that they are permitted. Many of the small imports that are done by collectors and breeders come without paperwork.

These are beautiful animals and can be bred in captivity. Don't be fooled into thinking they are easy to breed. They will be a fun project but will take some extra attention.



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Could you elaborate on what kind of paperwork is a usfw permit? I´m not familiar with it :S
It´s definitely a great sign that there is paperwork associated with the animals.



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United States Fish and Wildlife. To legally be imported to the U.S. amphibians need to be imported by a person or company that has a USFW license. An import fee has to be paid and they need to be approved and inspected by a USFW agent. The license used to cost about 150.00 per year. Inspection fees run about 125.00 per shipment. Broker fees usually run about 500.00 per import if a broker is used. USFW encourages electronic filing and won't allow hand written or typed paperwork to be filed for shipments valued at over 2000.00. A shipment over 2000.00 needs to go through a broker. You can see how the bills add up fast and why it is difficult for a private individual to make a small import. I left my license lapse and gave up on importing and exporting years ago. I would rather let somebody else have the headaches and purchase legally imported animals from them.



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OK, here are some pictures.

They seem very similar to kweichows to me in many ways.
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They sure are spectacular animals.

imagine slogging your way through the Laotian mountain forest, chopping your machete through the vines, with your throat blistered and your clothes stuck to your skin, and coming across a cool little mountain creek and sitting down for a spell to take your boots off and pluck the leeches from your toes and just as you lean over to get a drink, you see, sitting on the muddy bottom in all its glory, one of those newts.

Dang. I'd immediately transcend to a higher state of being. It would be like finding the Virgin Mary smiling up at you from your cornflakes....



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xDD That´s a very accurate description of what many of us, poor obssesed souls would feel, but sod Mary, it would be like seeing the face of Sir David Attenborough in your toast.

Thank you, Michael, for taking the time to satisfy my curiosity, it´s much apreciated.



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Two of us now... Dang how I understand you.... lol...
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Like Frogeyes said, Paramesotriton is illegal in Oregon, where i'm located. Virtually all caudates are illegal here. JVK
Legal issues are tricky. I'd find out who is in charge of interpreting the laws and ask them straight forward if Laotriton laoensis are legal in Oregon or not. I had a situation where I was shipping salamanders to Alaska. The salamander rules there are strict but not everything is spelled out. They are also concerned about invasive animals. I received approval for the animals I wanted to ship from Alaskan authorities and all were happy. The rule was not specific. They just made an interpretation on the spot. I'm not certain a rule against Paramesotriton would apply to Laotriton.



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Hello friends:

Just thought I'd weigh in. In the past 7 days,I went from reading this thread and dreaming about laotriton to owning three. I received them Wed., shipped from southern Ontario.They were not cheap,but less than I've seen quoted in some places.Two females and a male.They are in exquisite,robust condition,and act very much like ltc. They see me coming to the tank and they have all fed well. I'm impressed how big these animals are, and how beautiful they are. Almost as large as my dark form T.Verr! Amazing creatures.Thankfully I had a fully cycled new tank that was going to be home to a single chinensis.Sorry buddy. I have another 20 long set up and cycling so I may take one out and put him in there later on, depending on the temperment.Are they generally agressive to each other? I've also got a fliter and a mild current in both tanks....I looked at the habitat shots and there seems to be flow.

I had some luck breeding hongkongensis and so am hopeful about these.We'll see.

Wil post some pics when I get a moment.



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Welcome to the club, trout! We should start a ...what are those groups called that nobody does anything with?



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Ok.Here they are. They were shipped overnight but left on my back porch for an hour.My son didn't hear the courier.They were a little sluggish as it was 1 degree Celsius outside! But better too cool than too hot. As you can see,they are very large, robust animals. I also have a shot of the tank they are in.They are all using the natural rock hides much like my hongkongensis did.They are very active after dark. I know I'm lucky to have them.
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Nice, Trout...
Until I get another tank, I just put a lot of hides in the tank I have them in.

How's this for a freak-out: I forgot to close the lid last time I looked in, and I noticed when I heard my ferret splashing his face and paws in the tank. I immediately jumped up, removed the ferret, and counted the animals...one short....count again...one short....AAAAAH, there it is inside the mass of java moss. All there!
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Ok, that newt has the coolest lair of all times.



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