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Paramesotriton chinensis/hongkonensis hybrids

This is a discussion on Paramesotriton chinensis/hongkonensis hybrids within the Warty Newts (Paramesotriton & Laotriton) & Paddletail Newts (Pachytriton forums, part of the Species, Genus & Family Discussions category; Hi, I keep a few years ago and paramesotriton paramesotritón hongkonensis chinensis, At first thought they were of the same ...

Warty Newts (Paramesotriton & Laotriton) & Paddletail Newts (Pachytriton Often sold incorrectly as Japanese fire-bellied newts, these territorial newts are distinct from other genera and very interesting in their own right.

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Default Paramesotriton chinensis/hongkonensis hybrids

Hi, I keep a few years ago and paramesotriton paramesotritón hongkonensis chinensis, At first thought they were of the same species but in time I I discovered they were of different species. The issue is that I have about 20 of chinensis and hybrid larvae hongkonensis.


I do not want controversy on Hybrids, I just want to know if any user had offspring hybrida and if the offspring is fertile.

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Are these pictures of your hybrids?



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I think those must be pictures of the adults - chinensis on the left, hongkongensis on the right.

Can you be more specific?
1. How many newts live together - just the 2 shown in the photos?
2. For how many months or years have they lived together (and was there ever any other newts kept with them)?
3. Have you seen any courtship activity between them?

Newts can retain sperm, so it's possible that the female bred in the past.

I expect that no one can tell you if the offspring will be fertile or not. You will just need to wait and find out.



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Odds are they're fertile. The two species are in the same species group and relatively closely related. There are a great many examples of more distantly related species interbreeding with success. In most cases, the barriers to reproduction are behavioral or geographic rather than physiological or genetic.



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Default Re: Paramesotriton chinensis/hongkonensis hybrids

The photo on the left belongs to the adult female chinensis and the photo on the right the male hongkonensis.
The two newts are about 4 years together, had another female hongkonensis but died a few days of purchase.
I could see how they courted and the pickup of the spermatophore.
Last year the Tritons also laid eggs, They left two larvae that reached metamorphosis to the juvenile stage and reach.The problem is that I had to leave my home because of work and juvenile newts died.
The two species share the same territory triton, is it possible that there are natural hybrids?

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It's possible, but none have been reported. Thus far, P.chinensis, P.hongkongensis, and P.ermizhaoi are allopatric. All three species have been considered P.chinensis at one time or another, but all are physically, genetically, and geographically distinct.



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Actualizo con fotos.

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I put the photos of newly transformed that died for accident, 2 years ago .Para that you do an idea to yourselves of since they will be these hybrids when they transform.
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Update the pictures, some larvae have already begun to absorb their gills and so far no casualties are about 47 larvae.
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What you plan to do to with the hybrids?



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take care as best you can and bring them to adult size.



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hum hum.. sounds cool right... taking up the fact they're HYBRIDS



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A video of the first to go ashore:




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Hi, have past few months, I show some pictures of the evolution of the juveniles.
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Nice animals... Its a pity they have to be destroyed



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Nice animals... Its a pity they have to be destroyed
Why do they have to be destroyed?



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Why is that hybrid offspring must be destroyed?...naaaah



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Why do they have to be destroyed?
I was wondering this also.


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If you have enough room and time to give them a good home I don't see why you should destroy them. Just like animals with genetic faults (which don't bother them). Keep them seperated and don't spread them.

I'm a hybrid with genetic faults myself...



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