Mixing toads with salamanders

[AJ]

I know this is very wrong. This thread is for a new member of caudata.org. Please tell them why this is wrong. Also tell the person why african dwarf clawed frogs cant be in a terrestrial set-up. I have told them why but they dont seem to understand. I will not name names.

[AJ]

They seperated them now

[collin]

i was the one who was mixing toads with salamanders.
then i was told that toads are toxic and salamanders are toxic and that they will fight, so i bought a 20 gallon tank and separated them.

[Coastal Groovin]

Its not that they will fight THEY WILL TRY TO EAT EACHOTHER!!!!! Afican claw frogs have been know to cross over land during wet spells into other pools and ponds but they are mostly fully aquatic frogs that are not physically able to move great distances quickly over land and will dry out and die.

[J]

Originally Posted by caudatadude28

I know this is very wrong. This thread is for a new member of caudata.org. Please tell them why this is wrong. Also tell the person why african dwarf clawed frogs cant be in a terrestrial set-up. I have told them why but they dont seem to understand. I will not name names.

problems with mixing include

Different habitats: even though 2 species may seem to have similar requirements on paper they may require 2 very different environmental niches. its difficult to simulate more than one niche in captivity (unless you are using a large enclosure). it might also be these 2 animals have completely different requirements. also thing like temperature tolerance ranges are ok but its best to keep the animal at what is considered the best temperature e.g. cynops oreintalis tolerance is up to 21C but its better to keep them at 16-18C

Toxins: may species of caudate and bufonidae have some kind of skin toxin this toxin may not be too harmful and kill out right but even some that don’t kill quickly could shorten lifespan or cause problems with constant background exposure.

Pathogens: In captivity bacteria, parasites, protozoa can easily be transferred from one animal to another this can be a real problem if the animals are wild caught, from different geological ranges (as they may not have any resistance to the pathogen carried safely by the others) or haven't be quarantined

Competition: one might simply out compete the other for food, water and other resources

Stress: this can be a real problem when mixing, with no escape routes added competition, simply the presence of the other animal can cause stress this can lead to lowered immune systems, non feeding and general poor health

Aggression: fighting, injury and even eating one another are common problems.

most keepers wont risk the problems caused by mixing as they don’t want to end up with sick, stressed injured or dead pets which is why is highly recommended you don't mix as its better not to risk the animals health.

[Johnny O. Farnen]

There is a very informative Sticky on this topic here on the forums. This debate comes up entirely to often and always leads to a borderline flamewar. So please, take a look at the sticky, and keep it civil.