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Old 8th January 2010   #1 (permalink)
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My axolotls look fine so I guess this isn't really a "sick" axolotl post (I hope), but when I vacuumed this morning, there were a few lumps of viscous funk. I saw one floating around the bottom of the tank, and at a glance, it looked like the kind of bacteria cloud that might form around a bit of old food, but when I pulled it out of the syphon, it's more the texture of a cricket quencher that's a smidge too wet.

I vacuum and replace ~25% per week, and the tank has a piece of monapi wood planted with java fern, elodea, anubias, and willow moss. The tank has limpets and pond snails, but they don't create anything that would look like this. There's also a colony of escapee blackworms, most of which live in the crannies of the log, as there is no substrate. (These can't be blackworm eggs, can they?) It occured to me that they might be axolotl eggs, but (a) there weren't many clumps, (b) they look nothing like the picture on Axolotls: The Fascinating Mexican Axolotl and the Tiger Salamander, and (c) they weren't anywhere near the plants, but hovering at the bottom of the tank.

The water looks fine, as do the axolotls. Anyone know what this is?
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maybe Iīm totally wrong, but I have no other idea but the rest of speramtophores?
Do you have a male in the tank?

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I do have a male and a female. They could have mated without my knowing. How long would it be before she lays? And, not to sound heartless, but is it safe to assume that if I leave the young 'uns in there, they'll get eaten? (I have no intention of raising offspring.) Is it possible that the male produced spermataphores even if the female wasn't willing to receive them? Or is this a sure sign that they've mated?

Eeeew. That means I handled Axie spunk. I am slightly disturbed by this revelation. Is that definitely what this is?



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I am not quite sure what the clear gooey stuff is, but I can definitely ID the object in the 2nd and 3rd pictures. It is an American US Penny. Valued at $.01. Minted by the United States government, although I have no idea how it got into your aquarium.



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Hiya
I've seen spermataphores in my tank twice and they didn't look like that!
They were quite neat little volcano shapes, see through with a white tip.
That does look a bit more like jelly from eggs. How does it feel?
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Quite a mystery here. I don't really know what they are either but i agree with Mel that my first thought was the jelly coating on eggs. I would remove them from the tank to avoid anything decomposing and fouling the water.

Not all axies will consume their eggs or larvae so it is best to cull them early (if they are indeed eggs) if you do not want to raise larvae.



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Hi,

I donīt think that those mysterious things are the jelly coat of eggs, because 1. you must have had eggs in your tank (are there any eggs?), 2. before hatsching the eggs with the jelly mass is competly round without edges like on the photo and there should be the little egg in the middle. 3. After hatching there rests only a thin coat without jelly and by taken out of the water thereīs no compact substance, it subsides.

The more is see the photos, the more I come to the conlusion that those things are spermatophores. The white tip is gone, maybe itīs taken by the female.

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Hi jclee,

If the female has fertilized her eggs, she will start laying within 24 hours, so you won't have long to wait to find out. Although axolotls first have to "acquire the taste" of eating eggs, they will definitely eat the larvae.

I have seen axolotls leave a jelly-like substance in their excrement before. Any way you look at it, you won't have had anything nice in your hand...

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This really reminds me of the crystals you put into plant pots to keep the soil moist. When you add water they swell up and look just like this. Have you by any chance put in any new plants into the tank?



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I really dont think its spermataphores. Based only on the ones i've seen in my tank. They are not very big and dont seem as messy as that, also i have seen two but now there is no trace at all left in my tank. The jelly from the spawn, not the spawn itself is very very messy. I've had some real problems getting dud eggs out of a clutch. To be honest i dont think it is even egg jelly and looks like some foreign matter from elsewhere, but to me it is more like egg jelly than spermataphores. If that makes any sense whatsoever haha. Mel



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Whatever it is, its best to just remove them to avoid them fouling the water nontheless.



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Well, I removed everything I could find as soon as I saw it. No eggs yet, but it hasn't been a full 24 hours. As far as not being spermataphore-shaped, they were sucked into a gravel vac before I took the pictures, so they might have gotten mangled in the process, but no, they didn't look like other sperm pics I've found on this site. I have a glass-bottom tank, though (no substrate), so I don't know if that might've caused the male to deposit them differently?

I generally leave my tank lid up to increase evaporation and decrease temperature, so something could easily have fallen in there, but I have no idea what would have created that kind of firm, clear goop. I'll let you know if I see any more of it, or if I see eggs, or if anything else comes to mind.

Still taking bets on exactly what it is. I think we're at something like 2 votes sperm, 1 vote egg jelly, 1 vote for plant quencher (same thing as cricket quencher, really,) 1 vote jelly-poo, and 1 "maybe miscellaneous other" by now... Any other takers?



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Still taking bets on exactly what it is. I think we're at something like 2 votes sperm, 1 vote egg jelly, 1 vote for plant quencher (same thing as cricket quencher, really,) 1 vote jelly-poo, and 1 "maybe miscellaneous other" by now... Any other takers?
My vote will be for snail/limpet eggs. My eyes may be deceiving me - but I think I can see some small brown snail shapes in the jelly. I'll have another coffee and look again.



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I think its a jackpot for Jacquie. They do look like snail eggs now that she mentioned.



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The brown dots on the funk are from the gravel vac. They looked totally clear before I siphoned them out. The only snails in there are regular little pond snails and those tiny freshwater limpets, neither of which lays eggs that look like this or come in chunks this big. The mystery continues.



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An update: the "transparent funk" was indeed sperm. I just got eggs today. I guess that my female had already taken the white bit off of each sperm deposit before I saw it.

Too bad I don't have room for more axolotls in my life.



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An update: the "transparent funk" was indeed sperm.
you should scrapbook those photos LOL.

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Yeah. I think the qualify somewhere among the 10 worst photos that involve me. Ugh. Only I would manage to pick them out of the tank and onto my hand without knowing for certain what they were. Again, gross.

If anyone near Providence wants to pick up some eggs, let me know. I'm not raising these buggers.



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I am not quite sure what the clear gooey stuff is, but I can definitely ID the object in the 2nd and 3rd pictures. It is an American US Penny. Valued at $.01. Minted by the United States government, although I have no idea how it got into your aquarium.
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