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Leucistic X Melanoid offspring question

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I have eggs growing from a Leucistic Male and Melanoid female does anyone know the potential for the babies? When he fathered eggs with a female leucistic they were all leucistic and a handful of the speckled, freckled babies. Is there any way of knowing what the potential for the babies are? I think I read lavender was a possibility. Light melanoid? Melanoid? Just curious . I am trying to understand genetics, Where as with reptiles I understand them pretty well but Lotl genetics seem a bit more confusing.



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You will most likely get a mixture but in order to specifically breed a certain type i think you have to know the grandparents genetics too (if i remember correctly haha)
So you wont really be able to guess until you know the grandparents type or they hatch and grow



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Someone else asked a similar question regarding genetics on this thread here: Breeding and Genetics



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It's hard to tell, as these two genes don't overlap (they don't mix like paint).

Leucistic axolotls have the genotype (d/d), producing 'light' individuals. If you breed two animals that have the same recessive genes, you'll get 100% recessive offspring.

Melanoid axolotls are (m/m), producing melanoid individuals.

Assuming your leucistic is not melanoid, it's genotype (M/x). If it's a recessive carrier (M/m), you would get 50% melanoid offspring with a melanoid individual. If it's dominant (M/M), you will get no melanoids.

Likewise, your melanoid is (D/x). If it's (D/d), and you breed with a leucistic, you'll get 50% 'light' individuals (leucistic or possibly albino if both are carriers of recessive albino). If the melanoid is D/D, you'll get all 'dark' offspring (wildtype, or golden albino if they carry albinism).



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I could not find anything that discussed Melanoid genetics . That covered everything else. In my experiences over the last 30 plus years with animals the darker color has always been dominant. Like a color wheel. So this is fascinating to me as all of that goes out the window. I have read a lot of discussions on axolotl genetics but the melanoids are least mentioned. I will say I have some really black larvae and some almost gray ones at day 6. Not that it means anything.



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Melanoid is more like an 'overlay' for base colors, it augments the base color. You can have melanoid leucistics, melanoid albinos, melanoid normals, etc.

It's a simple recessive, so for an animal to be melanoid, it must receive a recessive gene from each parent.



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