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Old 20th January 2005   #1 (permalink)
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Hi to all!
I would know if is possible to have and keep buf alvarius. i am a bufo lover, i have bufo bufo , b. virdis...
does anybody has it ?
thanks
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Hi Ema,

The Psychedelic Click the image to open in full size. Toad, producing bufotenine, a recognized hallucinogen?

I haven't come across this animal in the UK, but here's how to keep it: http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.co...roducts_id=368



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As its toxins are hallucinogenic and as such a controlled substance, it should be illegal to import / export these Toads.
I think I saw them offered here in the UK sometime ago (possibly 2003) but can't be sure.



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can you help me finding some good breeder to make ma have a pair of couple ?thanks a lot!!

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The 'psychedelic' toxin in B. alvarius is actually 5-methoxydimethyltryptamine. I suspect that they do contain bufotenine as well- I think most Bufo species produce bufotenine in their venom.

Although 5-methoxy-DMT is controlled under UK drug laws, the toads are not illegal to keep in the UK, as the law specifies that it's a 'preparation' of the substance that is illegal. It would be illegal to extract the venom and prepare it for ingestion.

I don't know about other states- I think there may have been a prosecution in the US for possession of psychedelic toads.



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You did see them offered in recent years, in the UK, Andrew, in Nottingham.
I'd like to get my hands on a pair myself.



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I suppose you mean your tongue, not your hands Matthew?Click the image to open in full size.

Yep, 5-methoxy N-dimethyltryptamine is related to serotonin and is an agonist of the serotonine-2 receptor - same mechanism as the D-form of lysergic acid diethylamide(LSD-25).

Btw compare:
http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=154
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http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=3503
Serotonine = 5-hydroxytryptamine
Bufotonine = 5-hydroxy N-dimetyltryptamine

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<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>Matthew Dyke wrote on Monday, 24 January, 2005 - 10:58 :</font>

&quot;You did see them offered in recent years, in the UK, Andrew, in Nottingham.&quot;<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Glad to see my memory is not evading me in my old age.

Emanuele, in response to your initial question, sorry but I can not help you, I do not know of any breeders in Europe working with this species.



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There is a group at Manchester museum in there amazing vivarium gallery, you could try them to see where they came from. They've also got some Phyllomedusa bicolor,so if you fancy a whole rights of passage/ hallucinogen experience then they're your place! But seriously anyone who hasn't been it's worth a look some really special frogs, and it's free!
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I feel a day trip coming on... anyone?!



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I was ment to go up a while ago for work but missed out, from what I have heard they do have a nice selection of animals, must try and get up there some time.



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Don't the native European Bufonids contain similar alkaloids in their gland secretions? I thought that this was one of the reasons Bufo was included in the old flying ointments along with other such items such as members of the nightshade family.

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hi! can you gibve me some mail-addresses-sites to search for alvarius ? thanks a lot...

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heYY

hi to all.
Do you think in Hamm i can find it this season ??
Thanks....

Ema



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yeah i recently purchased a colorado river toad at a local reptile expo, shes just a baby about 3 inches, eats like a monster though cool toad



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