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Florida green tree frogs built immunity to toxins?

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Old 19th January 2015   #21 (permalink)
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we fed him dusted crickets, but while we were getting him a terrarium, we had no other tanks to put him in so we had to keep him in a backyard safari and feed him separately. He ate a few crickets, and hopped and probably got tired and stressed when we put him back in the backyard safari and he couldn't swim so I moved him out of the water and he proceeded to crawl underneath the lining, probably where he lost the use of his legs by breaking them. If it wasn't for his legs, he would have been fine. Until he had to shed. But ether way he was wild caught in my backyard, and he was probably 2 to 3 years old by that time to. And the reason I said we can't do shipping is that unless the shipping is free, we won't order it because most shipping is 40 to 45 bucks, and most salamanders are in the 20 to 25 dollar range so it adds up to 60 to 70 dollars and unless I save by either not eating, or not buying crickets, it's not going to happen. And the water dog is 12 dollars. And I am not a newbie when it comes to owning amphibians, and from my reading, tigers and their larva are easy to care for except for breeding. They need a soft, moist soil to dig into, a small water dish where they can't drown, earthworms, and terrestrial hides if you want to see them on the surface. And I don't have much time left to rescue it. it's tail (which is all we could see btw) was less paddle-like and looked like an adults tail. That means it's ether going into metamorphosis, or it is a young adult, and in a semi-aquatic tank with an impaction risk of gravel with no filter would not fare well.
Please do not buy this salamander. You might think you are 'saving' it, but by purchasing this salamander you are encouraging a trade in wild caught amphibians which will be ill and stressed - which is not what somebody starting with newts and salamanders wants, even if you have some experience.
If you are not willing to pay for delivery for a healthy captive bred salamander from a trusted breeder on here, you are probably not very committed. In the UK, we don't have a proper shipping option, we have to use specialist couriers, and I have to pay up to £80 for just shipping. That's about $150, but I'm willing to pay it to get happy, healthy and captive bred animals. Even if this animal dies, you would be doing worse by 'rescuing' it. People that catch these animals, and pet shops that sell them, only learn when the animals die. It's sad, but it's the truth I'm afraid.
I know you're trying to do the best for the salamander, and good on you, but this is not how you want to do it.

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No as in we literally can not order anything. I am sure that the people can forgive me because I am new, but I am 12 years old and I am not old enough to and my parents don't like ordering anything unless they absolutely have to. The only two things I can think of are a laptop cord for when the laptop cord I was using broke, and wireless headphones. I reeeealy need this sal! And I don't even think that it's a water dog anymore which is why I wanted to take it. At the very least I want to correct them about it!! And why won't they get a filter!!! And I have been going to that Petco for at least 4 years, and I think a customer just gave it to them when they didn't want it anymore, and what's worse, they have it in the fish section, and some kid is going to walk in and put it in a fish tank where it will drown after eating all the fish and...Let me compose myself. The thought of a kid unknowingly killing a salamander just scares me And if someone does buy it and unknowingly kill it, it will be classified as successful in the pet trade, and they will sell more, so at the very least I know I must try to convince them to either give it away( Cough Cough me Cough Cough) and never get one again, or just give it to Zoo Atlanta. ( Who has captivated me when I learned they used to have giant salamanders, and that they now have Varanus Komodoensis)



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And I do want to order the animals! It's just I'm too young and my mom pretty much hates cold blooded animals, So I'm at a lose-lose situation here, and she is even considered releasing them!!! (Even the leopard geckos, fire-belly, and Red Eyed Tree Frogs!!!!!) ( If she does though, I will go down fighting!!!!



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And also I want to explain to Petco about the proper care of tiger salamanders and their larvae. I will explain that at the very least ONE water dog can live in a ten gallon tank, and will need a fliter!!!!! and will eat crickets, earthworms, bloodworms, blackworms, and as a treat, an occasional rosy red minnow or pinky mouse, but they are ether full of parasites, or they could be very fatty. When it starts to morph, put plenty of land areas, such as Flat stones, Logs, pieces of décor, ect, ect, ect. After it morphs you can temporarily keep it in a ten gallon, but when it grows, put it in a 20 gallon terrarium with a ton of moist, but not sopping wet soil, a medium water dish where it can't drown, and hides on the surface to keep it on the surface instead of borrowing in the bottom where none of your customers will see it. And you can pretty much feed it the same stuff as before, but blackworms, and bloodworms can't be used on land, so pretty much limited to earthworms, crickets, and roaches.



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While i certainly understand your desire to keep salamanders, i think it's a good thing to be serious for a moment and realise that no, you in fact don't actually need that salamander, you merely want it. I know it's a powerful feeling and i sympathise, believe me xD However, i think you should consider what the mature thing to do here would be. Either give in and satisfy your whim, which means acquiring an animal in poor condition, allowing the people who mistreated it to profit from their actions and likely, condemning other animals to the same fate, OR you could be more mature than most and realise that the well-being of the animals, which are sentient and capable of suffering, is more important than satisfying a personal whim.
I think if you are patient, talk to your parents, let them know about this community and let them get informed about what the process of shipping live animals is like, etc, you might actually convince them. I bet they'd be impressed if you didn't act impulsively to buy an animal, but rather took the time to educate yourself and consider the best option both for you and the animal itself. I think that's likely to melt their hearts xDD



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I agree with Rodrigo. We cannot stop you from getting it. I am twelve also, and believe me, I get the feeling of, I NEED it, but think about it. Can I care for it? Do I have the money at the moment? How is the condition of the animal(s)? I am curious about financial info you give, you say you can only get money if you don't eat, or don't buy crickets. How will you afford a tank, more food (if you choose to buy it), substrates and decor?



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Actually I was going to explain to them how to care for them, and at the very least they will know what they are doing about caring for them. On the lighter side, my dad and my mom somewhat are open to the idea of a tiger sal in our house. Can you print the care sheet we have on our website for me to give to them? because I don't think It's Petco's fault here. And if it works, not only will they be more knowledgeable, I might come home with a tiger salamander!!!



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You live in Georgia. While many of them live in very restricted areas, that state has literally dozens of native salamander species, many of them common and unprotected. You probably have a dozen or more which are local. It should be easy to find one or two animals which are in good health, from a large population. You're better off not mixing them with anything else though, especially non-native species.



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FrogEyes brings up a good point actually. If you are dead set on getting a WC amphibian, then you are better off collecting one yourself. That way you aren't supporting the WC amphibian market, and are also going to get a healthier animal. Just make sure you take it from a large population, that way it wont effect the population as much. Also, if possible, get eggs or larvae instead of a adult.
And also, you said previously that you couldn't find any amphibians at the expo you went to. I also went to an expo last spring, and almost missed out on some awesome amphibians because I didn't look hard enough. You really have to make sure you check every table, as daunting a task as that is. I went past some tables more than once that had amphibians and I didn't even notice. You really have to check every single one, or you might miss them. -Seth



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I actually saw a lot of frogs and toads at the expo, even Colorado River toads, but the only caudate were albino Spanish ribbed newts, and I was dead centered on an axolotl or two, or a tiger salamander or two, but nobody had them and when I went to the Petco to get our dogs vaccinated, I saw a large, blue critter keeper, and I was like what is that, so when we got the crickets, my face was literally like this they had what I was looking for, for only 12 dollars! so I'm going to tell them NOT to buy one again, and if a customer walks in to give them one, they could read the care sheet I will print out for them from the caudata culture care sheet for tigers and water dogs



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