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Inspired by Morg's albino T.cristatus thread I thought I'd make this;
I know what these are (sort of!) but I'm interested to see what other forum members make of it.
Anybody that I have spoken to about this is not allowed to say!!
They are obviously Triturus sp, so no points for guessing that!






I'll get my camera out in the next couple of days and get some better photographs too.
 
Look like T. karelinii to me
 
They are about 10-12cm/4-5 inches and are subadults. They've got quite a bit more growing to do.
 
Well I await the unraveling of the mystery. Forgot about that name change.
 
Heheh. I believe I know what these are, well, I kinda know XD I'm curious to see what people write...
 
On Stuart's behalf, no they are not. But a good guess nonetheless :D
 
Thanks jake, though Ben may be right in a way...
 
If I know what this is, then it isn't fair. No one will know what it is if it is one of the unnamed species you got! Except me, because you told be. You call it a Triturus nov. species. I think I am right but don't know for sure, but if I am, I am calling unfair play on this one ;)
 
sde said:
If I know what this is, then it isn't fair. No one will know what it is if it is one of the unnamed species you got! Except me, because you told be. You call it a Triturus nov. species. I think I am right but don't know for sure, but if I am, I am calling unfair play on this one ;)
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Nope! You're wrong! I haven't got my Triturus nov. yet.
Nice try though...
 
Yellow on the throat is only usually found in the karelinii group (karelinii, ivanbureschi, 'arntzeni'), but the body is much more slender than is normal for these- more like dobrogicus.

If it is a hybrid, I'd guess ivanbureschi/dobrogicus as ivanbureschi is the only karelinii group species that borders the range of dobrogicus.
 
caleb said:
Yellow on the throat is only usually found in the karelinii group (karelinii, ivanbureschi, 'arntzeni'), but the body is much more slender than is normal for these- more like dobrogicus.

If it is a hybrid, I'd guess ivanbureschi/dobrogicus as ivanbureschi is the only karelinii group species that borders the range of dobrogicus.
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You're thinking along the right lines, Caleb.
It's only been a day but I may as well say what it is because it's unlikely anyone will be able to guess.

They are Triturus of Dojran Lake. They could be T.ivanbureschi, T.macedonicus, T.karelinii or a mix of two or three of these. To me they look Like T.ivanbureschi but it'll be much easier to tell once the adults have grown their crests - but obviously I won't be able to know for certain.
 
Stupot1610 said:
They could be T.ivanbureschi, T.macedonicus, T.karelinii or a mix of two or three of these.
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They won't be karelinii (in the current, stricter sense)- ivanbureschi is the only species of the karelinii group (in the older, wider sense) that occurs in Europe.

There's an up-to-date map of all the cristatus group on Ben Wielstra's blog, along with some photos of ivanbureschi/macedonicus hybrids from a bit further North, in Serbia:

https://benwielstra.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/triturus-goes-genomics-kind-of/

More photos please!
 
caleb said:
They won't be karelinii (in the current, stricter sense)- ivanbureschi is the only species of the karelinii group (in the older, wider sense) that occurs in Europe.

There's an up-to-date map of all the cristatus group on Ben Wielstra's blog, along with some photos of ivanbureschi/macedonicus hybrids from a bit further North, in Serbia:

https://benwielstra.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/triturus-goes-genomics-kind-of/

More photos please!
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Thanks Caleb. I had actually already seen the map, I don't know why I thought they could be Karelinii. They look very like T.ivanbureschi but it is likely they have a bit of macedonicus in them. I will get some pictures as soon as I find the time - quite busy at the moment with it being the holidays.
 
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