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Hello everyone:)
Thank you for allowing me to join your group! I am fairly new to keeping a turtle in captivity although I am fairly knowledgable with taking care of a ball python which I sold happy and healthy at 41/2 feet long when I became pregnant in 1999. I am looking for any advice on water quality as I have read map turtles are very sensitive to water quality and I am having trouble with my tank reading too alkaline:-/ I have invested quite a bit into this little guy/girl named Helmet and I am very afraid of doing anything that might harm him. So any information or advice would be greatly appreciated. I have a basking area, ubv lights, plenty of water to swim in and am working on his diet to make sure he is getting all the nutrients he needs to be healthy and happy. I am still struggling to get him to eat turtle pellets although he eats some he does not eat as many as I have read he should. I also am still concerned about water wuality. Please help if you can. I will load pictures later and more information as I am on break at work right now. Thanks again for adding me and thanks to all that have any information to share:)
 
Hi, welcome to the site. :)
When I kept Asiatic leaf turtles (Cyclemys dentata) I used a large external cannister filter with a UV steriliser intended for small koi ponds. Half the battle for good water quality with turtles is a good diet and not over feeding them, they soon learn how to beg and will seemingly always take stuff that's bad for them over more healthy options! My turtles were fed a diet based on Reptomin with worms, aquatic snails, shrimp and plenty of greens. but I'm sure turtle pellets have improved no end these days.
 
Chinadog,
I'm sorry I was a little rushed earlier when I posted and wasn't clear on some things. I am using reptimin pellets, live red worms and live wax worms. I have also been keeping fresh kale in the tank but it seems he plays with it more so than eats it. I have read that they like dandelion leaves although I don't have them in my yard and am scared to get them from just anywhere because some people treat their yards with pesticides and other chemicals, I am unsure if they sell these at my local market but I plan to check. I am going to try some fresh romaine next time and if he doesn't seem to eat it at least I can ha ha:)

I have not gotten any live plants for the aquarium yet although I plan to once I've done more research.

I plan to invest in a large canister filter or some sort of in tank filter when I have his/ her 55 gallon tank set up. I bought it used along with a variety of different decorations that were used for a freshwater fish tank 2 years ago. My concerns with this are how to clean used equipment properly and then make it safe for him/ her.

I am doing a lot of research and have looked into paroxcide and bleach but it's scary because I am nervous that I won't rinse it well enough or it will get into the pores of the rocks and other decor and leach out over time? I plan to use some sort of water conditioner to netralize whatever product I decide to use for cleaning. Right now bleach seems like the safest route but I am really unsure.
He/she is still less than the size of a silver dollar so I have some time although I want to be certain I am doing it right because Map turtles are so sensitive. Plus I'm kind of paranoid if you can't tell :)
Anyhow I am open to all advice even if I've already read about it I am interested in what real reptile and amphibian owners suggest from their experiences with such things.
Thank you so much for welcoming me and all the information you have already provided, I truly appreciate it. :)
 
I wouldn't worry about anything you seem like you have everything planned out, you should offer more live earthworms and shrimp because they are both high in nutrition and less waxworms because they are high in fat. Offer him the food twice or once a day as a baby and leave the food in the tank for an hour then take it out regardless of how much he has eaten, he will soon remember his feeding time
 
Make sure you have something big enough for him to completely come out of the water and onto and that he has a uvb bulb because its quite essential, keep the bulb as close to the waterline as possible and if u want a basking spot under a 50 watt bulb during the day would go a long way
 
That's awesome! I have 4 turtles. 3 red eared sliders (trachemys scripta elegans) and 1 ouachita map turtle (graptemys ouachitensis). Maps are adorable turtles with lovely patterns and a unique shell.

I would definitely recommended getting him in the larger tank as soon as you can. If he's 4 inches or larger he should be in a 40g or larger. By the time he's full grown he will probably need a 100g. They get big but it takes a few years, so you have time.

As for filters, turtles are very messy. I would recommend getting filters that are for larger tanks. Get a filter that can be used in a 100-150g tank for your 55g tank (I'm serious, it makes a big difference). I would also recommend a separate feeding tank. This can be a small 10-20g tank or even a large tupperware container. It'll help keep the main tank cleaner for longer. ;)

Lighting they need heating and UV light. You can buy a dual bulb or you can get two separately. Basking is very important.

As for cleaning; a lot of people use bleach and as long as it's rinsed it doesn't do damage. However, a lot of people use vinegar instead. It does a really good job at cleaning. Mix half vinegar and half hot water and buy an aquarium scrubber. Aquarium vacuums are also really helpful.

You'll also want to brush your turtle. This helps loosen scutes. Do this once a week. Twice monthly with just water, and twice monthly with a half water and half white vinegar mix (avoid getting it into your turtles eyes). Use a SOFT bristle tooth brush and make circular motions on your turtles shell. Rinse off and put back in the water. Keeping your turtles shell healthy should be top priority. Brushing, basking and a healthy diet will do the trick. Shell rot and retained scutes and pyramiding are all things you want to avoid.

Make sure your turtle gets a lot of vitamin A, B-12 and C.

If your turtle is a girl she will eventually have to lay eggs. Even if there is no male to fertilize them, she will lay eggs. You can boil them and feed them back to her or you can feed them to your snakes. ;) She will need a nesting box with soil at this time.

As for diet---

Younger turtles like high protein diets and will crave meats more than veggies. Worms, crickets, snails and guppies are all good choices. You can also use dried shimp or meal worms as a treat. If they are given too much protein they will start to pyramid, so the sooner you get them liking their veggies the better.

Dandelion leafs, turnip leafs, red leaf lettuce and green leaf lettuce are some of the best choices for veggies for your turtle.

They can also eat butter lettuce, kale, romaine lettuce, carrots and sweet potatoes. These are not as good for them as the above mentioned though. But good for variety. To make carrots easier to digest boil them first.

You can feed them mango, cantaloupe, papaya, bananas, strawberries, peaches, watermelon, pears, plums and grapes (remove the skin). Because fruit is so high in sugar they should be a once in awhile treat.

Amazon swords, anacharis, duckweed, water fern, water hyacinth, water lettuce, waterlily and pond weed are all edible aquatic plants.

Pellets should not be a staple food, but should be fed every couple days. Get ones with a lot of vitamins. Calcium is also EXTREMELY important for a healthy shell. Get a cuttlefish bone and put it right in the tank. Do not get those turtle shaped supplements, they are not actually good for the turtles. Cuttlebones are best. You can also get a calcium powdered supplement and put it on your turtles food before feeding.

Another awesome food for turtles are "jello shots"! No, not real jello or alcohol! It's a mixture of either store bought powder packed with vitamins and minerals that you mix with water to turn into a gelatin like substance (I buy a brand called savory stew) -- OR -- you can make homemade jello shots by;

Ingredients:
2 cups of pureed greens
2 tbs ground turtle pellets (reptomin, mazuri, etc.)
1 tbs calcium power OR ground cuttlebone
1 tbs flaked tuna (optional)
1 cup boiling water
1/2 cup cool water or cool tuna juice.
2 packets Knox Unflavored gelatin
directions:
in a bowl mix the first 4 ingredients on the list until well blended. add the two packets of Knox gelatin to the cool water and stir for 1 minute. let sit while the water boils. add the cool water with gelatin to the boiling water and stir until the gelatin has dissolved. Pour the gelatin mixture into the bowl of veggie mix. Stir until blended and portion into ice cube tray molds. finish by sprinkling turtle pellets on top of the mixture. Place in your fridge and allow them to set.
Once they have set, pull them out of the mold by using a tooth pick and cut them in half or fourths (depending on the size of your turtle). place pieces in rows on a cookie sheet and freeze. once frozen, portion into plastic containers.


Something else you want to watch out for is respiratory infection. This is the number one killer of aquatic turtles. Keep him or her healthy with good food and the water warm and this should not happen.

Hope this helps!

I learned about my turtles via everything-turtles.com and Facebook groups dedicated to turtles. I strongly recommend them. I am also going to post some helpful posters from the website.
 

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