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jeff
2nd January 2005, 11:17
I wasn't sure where to post this, beacuse its not specifically about breeding, but the logisticts of it. I really feel bad about all the perfectly healthy and happy newts that get just pawned off for 6.99 and die a few months later, due to some easily avoidable danger, like the absurd advise I got one time from a petstore, who advised me to put a 25 watt indecesnt bulb over my newts. I would have cooked them overnight!
Anyway I have considered this summer while on break to set up a breeding center on my grandmothers old farm out in the country. I suppose I would need lots of help to get tiracha males/females/juvs ect. Also I suppose I would need more then a few tanks, and probably big ones if I wanted them to grow at any rate. SO other than filters and tanks, (and space/heat) control, what else am I going to require to actually do this(aside from the breeding methods of course, which I have been reading up on)?

So if I could please get failed or successful experianced help, or any help at all please tell me what you guys can. thanks so much

P.s. Feeding my guys with tweezers was a really good idea, it takes the guesswork out of all the diet/nuitrional stuff!!

russ
2nd January 2005, 13:38
If you're considering T.granulosa, no can do. Last I heard Washington protects all their amphibians.

RUSS

jennifer
2nd January 2005, 16:43
I would say that the main thing you are going to need is TIME. Not just the time you will have to put into setting up and maintaining the animals, but also the years of time it will take until you acquire breeding groups and get them breeding.

There are sources of Taricha, even if you cannot collect them locally. They still show up in the pet trade occasionally. But you need to check if it would be illegal for you to sell captive bred ones. If they are protected, it might be. Are there any other species you are interested in?

I'm glad to hear you are thinking about this. Good luck!!!

mark
2nd January 2005, 21:50
Good luck Jeff!

william
2nd January 2005, 23:04
Jeff I would check out some websites to see if they are protected. I'm pretty sure that they are though. Like Russ said I think all amphibians are protected too.
(Message edited by wishz1 on January 02, 2005)

(Message edited by wishz1 on January 02, 2005)

russ
3rd January 2005, 13:07
Not all amphibians, just all native amphibians.

RUSS

jeff
3rd January 2005, 21:51
This sucks, I rescued my granuloso from some kids in seattle, and they had 2! I don't want to breed mine, he was exposed to chorinated water before I took him in, so I don't know what will happen if he breeds, which he tries to with my finger. This is really sad, I hope he is not native, and from California. If so, I suppose could get some from there, any ideas? What websites other then this should I check/trust?
What species would you guys reccomend for my area, besides the fire bellies?

benjamin
3rd January 2005, 22:59
Being exposed to chlorinated water shouldn't have any effect on his breeding at all.

jeff
4th January 2005, 05:33
Even if it was prolonged, I don't have any clue as to what actuall levels were before I found him, but I used to work in a hot tub/pool store and I know from experiance that chlorine and bromine levels of even 5-7 ppm as quicky "used up", even in a few hours if the water is slightly dirty and really zapped off by uv lights. So in reality I suppose he wasn't really "overexposed". allthough the dude at petsmart(not an expert by any means) said that if the female was exposed to chorine, then the reporductive system would be effective. But she died a while back, it was quite sad but at least he is happy and healthy again. I wish I had some females, he is trying to breed with my finger at every opportunity. Thanks for all the help.
http://www.caudata.org/forum/messages/985/28733.html?1104816039
picture of him taken tonight

jennifer
4th January 2005, 23:19
You are right, chlorine goes away fast, unless the local waterworks uses chloramine. Also, there is some debate as to whether chlorine is or isn't very toxic to newts. The guy at Petsmart was being pretty creative (or taking information he knew about another kind of animal perhaps).

michael
5th January 2005, 01:15
If you are planning to breed for fun it is easy. If you expect to make money from breeding it is difficult. The first thing you need to learn is don't believe what the guy in the pet store says.

william
5th January 2005, 03:04
Yea Russ thats what I ment and Jeff I looked all over the internet and I couldn't find any thing that they are protected. If he is from California they are i know for a fact protected. So it would be even harder to get him a mate if he is. Waht you could do is look on line for some one selling them or collect some eggs from a local pond, but i don't know if the latter is legal. If you really need some I might be able to give you some during the spring when I get a few from a friend of mine.

jeff
5th January 2005, 09:10
Its tough, beacuse I suppose I need 2 of the exact species to breed, putting random females in there might lead to strange results.. however, If anyone has Taricha sp. that they are willing to part with I would not only pay to get them, but I also spend so much time taking care of them that assure you they will be on permenant vacation. Can T.granulosa still be purchased in oregon? Anyone from oregon here?
Anyway I wouldn't really be breeding for money, allthough that would be a fun career..

I just want to increase knowladgeand awareness, for protection purposes. I am informed that where I live now there were newts all over, and like alot of places, now I never see one.

william
7th January 2005, 23:20
I have seen them for sale in some pet stores here, but not lately though.

jeff
10th January 2005, 08:33
maybe we will in a few months, after they come out in spring, allthough I would much rather see them year around, meaning captive breed and not collected...

william
10th January 2005, 15:14
So would I, but I think that all/most that you will see for sale will be wild caught.