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juraj
19th October 2005, 16:18
I saw these monsters in Gersfeld. It`s hard to believe that this is terrestris.
http://www.caudata.org/forum/messages/13/45480.jpg
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ester
19th October 2005, 17:26
Doesn't that 2nd one have a rather short tail for a terrestris?
Very special animals!

william
19th October 2005, 18:21
did you get them? they are like gigliolii, but unlike them at the same time....

terry
19th October 2005, 18:36
My eyes! my eyes! I'm blind. Oh no I cannot see anymore!http://www.caudata.org/forum/clipart/lol.gif

david
19th October 2005, 18:53
Very beautiful animals Juraj. Hope that they're living with you now

william
19th October 2005, 19:00
do you know their locality?

rubén
22nd October 2005, 12:13
Awesome animal! I've never seen this kind of pattern. I would say that reminds me the salamanders from Liguria in northern Italy ( gigliolii )

paul
24th October 2005, 05:13
I also saw them in Gersfeld. The origin of those should be Northern Germany. Hard to believe!
Paul

sergé
24th October 2005, 09:33
I also have strong doubts about what this is. I saw them too and their shape just doens't fit a typical german terrestris. Their morphological shape is very much gigliolii. I don't know the keeper and therefor can't tell if he is a reliable person, but but perhaps it is a result of a cross breed? I guess the keeper won't admit it if it is.

francesco
24th October 2005, 09:43
Could it be a very yellow salamandra corsa?

william
24th October 2005, 10:02
it's a possibilty, if anything the patterning reminds me of that species...

wouter
24th October 2005, 10:10
I saw a lot of Salamandra corsica on Corse in the spring this year, but these animals do not remind me of that species. The headshape is different (more broad in real corsica to my opinion). I've sever seen this pattern, too.
The morphology also reminds me of gigliolii, but the pattern is strange... so it could well be a cross breed.

paul
24th October 2005, 10:44
Have a look at their paratoids - fully yellow!

But even the high yellow Salamandra salamandra terrestris from Solling have dark points at them.
See here:
http://www.caudata.org/forum/messages/985/23853.html?1096962666
Paul

francesco
24th October 2005, 10:49
I can tell you it's definitely not a gigliolii. Yes probably a cross breed then

joan
24th October 2005, 13:22
The pattern reminds me of Ambystoma mavortium diaboli patterns... weird.

sergé
24th October 2005, 14:53
I agree with Wouter, surely no full S. corsica, but if something is mixed you will never know what it ends up like.
As S. corsica's are pretty rare in captivity and gigliolii is still once in a while available it could be something like that.
But as said before; if the breeder him/herself says it comes out of a terrestris population...it is his word against ours.

Perhaps somebody was challenged enough to buy some of the offspring and we can see in a few years...
These offspring had apparently this 'morph' in it's genes (that's the way you sell people, telling it has it in it's genes and you pay a lot of money for something that looks like an ordinary terrestris...).
That's why I personally don't like all these colour morphs....just the typical pure and natural subspecies form certain area are wild enough for me and are sometimes even more brilliant than this creature! http://www.caudata.org/forum/clipart/biggrin.gif

emanuele
25th October 2005, 18:41
hi. i ve seen you often mention salamandras from liguria. i am italian, but i have never seen special salamandras in liguria. I would go to search coloured animals, can you help me on places on liguria? thanks a lot
Ema

sergé
26th October 2005, 06:49
Hey, Salamandra is not rare in Liguria as far as I can tell. I went there once and just looked for a nice forest with a slow flowing stream..like all pictures presented on other places in this website. The animals I have seen from Liguria were slender built, with red coloration in their throats.

ingo
30th October 2005, 12:47
Hi,

<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>Sergé Bogaerts wrote on Monday, 24 October, 2005 - 15:53 : (#POST70474)</font>

&quot;Perhaps somebody was challenged enough to buy some of the offspring and we can see in a few years...
These offspring had apparently this 'morph' in it's genes&quot;<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

I took a photo of one of them in Gersfeld, though I was possible to resist buying them http://www.caudata.org/forum/clipart/smile6.gif

http://www.caudata.org/forum/messages/13/46546.jpg

In the natural habitat in our area I often find strangely coloured terrestris, but not that much different than the "Gersfeld-monsters" ...
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http://www.caudata.org/forum/messages/13/46547.jpg

christian
10th February 2006, 13:12
I hate the Dutch law by seeing this wonderful animals....I hope that this species once will be legal over here.

ester
10th February 2006, 15:49
Go study in Nijmegen in a few years and move to Germany (hardly any rooms available in Nijmegen anyway) http://www.caudata.org/forum/clipart/happy.gif

christian
11th February 2006, 21:38
I've lived in Germany for 7 years... I wish we never moved back to the Netherlands............

Study may be the last option....

(Message edited by chrisvo on February 11, 2006)