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Pleurodeles

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is there anybody here who keeps Pleurodeles poireti? I've heard that John Clare keeps them but I'm not sure...am I right?
I'd like seeing some photos of this species becaase I want to know if I'm keeping poireti or waltl!
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thanks a lot
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Leo
 
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A chap called Dave Herbert, who keeps dozens of different European amphibians, breeds poireti and waltl. I saw his collection recently, whilst collecting some sallies, and the two really are very different looking. The adult poireti are a fraction of the size of the adult waltl, and are much more brightly coloured, with dark backs/sides and orangey bellies. Hope this helps. Mark.
 
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I have some adult Pleurodeles poireti (offspring from Dave Herbert, bred in 2000). They are noticeably different from P. waltl in size, but as P. waltl is really quite variable in appearance, it's sometimes hard to make absolute identification based on colouration alone. The eyes look a bit different to my mind, and there is often a yellowish tinge to P. poireti. I'm not at home right now so I don't have recent photos, but here's a photo of a juvenile P. poireti that was on the Species photos section of the forums:

Juvenile Photo
 
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There are also three very nice photos of P. poireti at AmphibiaWeb donated by Henk Wallays.
 
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I'm home now, so here's a photo of an adult pair of Pleurodeles poireti in amplexus. Note the orangish/yellowish colour on the dorsum of the male (bottom animal). They go into amplexus quite frequently when the temperature is on the low side of the mid 20s Celsius. I've seen spermatophores many times, but at the time this photo was taken (late last year) I don't think the females were quite mature.

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thanks a lot everybody!
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you all have been very kind to me!

for John
could I send you some photos of my Pygmies (to permit you to identify them)?
How could I breed them?Now the T in their acquarium (50liters) is around 23°C...is it too high for breeding?How could I keep them colder?
thanks a lot
Leo
 
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John/Mark - what is the size range for an adult poireti? I had no idea they were smaller. This might help me figure out whether I have poireti or waltl.
 
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Oh, I never saw Leo's post. Hmmm.

Temperature isn't a problem for these animals. I believe a sudden drop in temperature is usually sufficient to stimulate mating behaviour.

Laura - poireti grow to about a normal maximum of 15 cm, but I think exceptionally they can be a little bigger. These are hard to come by so I doubt you have them.
 
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