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Amphibian's ringer solution
- Thread starter newtron
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Ed
New member
You should be able to order it directly from Fisher Scientific.
Ed
Ed
Ed
New member
If the other commercial sites are sites that supply veterninary supplies they may have a blanket restriction on who can purchase from them.
Ed
Ed
How close is human LR, could it possibly be easily altered to accomodate amphibians, anyone know?
Here's the recipe for human LR, per 100 ml:
600 mg NaCl
310 mg Sodium lactate
30 mg Potassium Chloride
20 mg calcium chloride
pH 6.5
the link to the amphibian ringer's recipe
http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/bloatEDK.shtml
(quote from above)
*Amphibian Ringer's Solution
Amphibian Ringer's is made by thoroughly mixing the following in one liter of distilled/reverse osmosis or deionized water:
Sodium chloride (NaCl) 6.6 grams
Potassium chloride (KCl) 0.15 grams
Calcium chloride (CaCl2) 0.15 grams
Sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) 0.2 grams
Here's the recipe for human LR, per 100 ml:
600 mg NaCl
310 mg Sodium lactate
30 mg Potassium Chloride
20 mg calcium chloride
pH 6.5
the link to the amphibian ringer's recipe
http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/bloatEDK.shtml
(quote from above)
*Amphibian Ringer's Solution
Amphibian Ringer's is made by thoroughly mixing the following in one liter of distilled/reverse osmosis or deionized water:
Sodium chloride (NaCl) 6.6 grams
Potassium chloride (KCl) 0.15 grams
Calcium chloride (CaCl2) 0.15 grams
Sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) 0.2 grams
herpvet
Veterinarian
Hi Dawn,
Just a note that there are arguments against use of lactated solutions in herps (although differing views amongst vets on the subject); given that, I would suggest avoiding them if possible.
Hope this helps.
Bruce.
Just a note that there are arguments against use of lactated solutions in herps (although differing views amongst vets on the subject); given that, I would suggest avoiding them if possible.
Hope this helps.
Bruce.
Ed
New member
The argument against the use of lactated ringers is due to the rate at which amphibians clear lactate from thier system. This is slower than in mammals and birds (for a better commentary than I can provide see Amphibian Medicine and Captive Husbandry).
Newtron, that does not mean that the site does not restrict items used in medical treatments. For example Carolina Biological Supply does restrict the sale of those items to individuals.
Go to the Fisher Scientific site and use thier search key for amphibian ringers. (https://www.fishersci.com/wps/portal/HOME?LBCID=35606037)
Ed
Newtron, that does not mean that the site does not restrict items used in medical treatments. For example Carolina Biological Supply does restrict the sale of those items to individuals.
Go to the Fisher Scientific site and use thier search key for amphibian ringers. (https://www.fishersci.com/wps/portal/HOME?LBCID=35606037)
Ed
HI Bruce,
Would you use it for bloat? or how would you treat bloat; would you only treat the
cause? But what if you didn't know the cause? I mean, I wouldn't treat it with LR just for fun.
(not meant to be snippy).
thanks
Would you use it for bloat? or how would you treat bloat; would you only treat the
cause? But what if you didn't know the cause? I mean, I wouldn't treat it with LR just for fun.
(not meant to be snippy).
thanks
herpvet
Veterinarian
Hi Dawn,
I would use fluids, just not lactated ones. Straightforward saline may be used - 0.6 - 0.7% saline may be considered reasonably isotonic, 0.8 - 2.5% (but I'd stay in the lower end of that range) saline can be used as a hypertonic solution to try to reduce bloat, but it needs close monitoring.
As Ed says, there is a more detailed discussion in Wright and Whitaker's book, if you have access to that.
I would use fluids, just not lactated ones. Straightforward saline may be used - 0.6 - 0.7% saline may be considered reasonably isotonic, 0.8 - 2.5% (but I'd stay in the lower end of that range) saline can be used as a hypertonic solution to try to reduce bloat, but it needs close monitoring.
As Ed says, there is a more detailed discussion in Wright and Whitaker's book, if you have access to that.
Thank you for your reply!
Dawn
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