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dogan
24th October 2007, 11:28
just before my axie has been floating. i saw her try to swim down, she just floated back up. i moved one of the floating plants she swam back down but her tail and cloaca area is a little bit above the rest of her body. is this normal?

shes been eating her earthworms every second day. she swims around nicely all day. her tank temperature is all good. i change around 20% water everyday.

is it normal for her to float like that? or is it normal for her cloaca region to rise slightly?

Kaysie
24th October 2007, 11:32
Sometimes their hind end floats when they need a good poo. Keep an eye on her, and if she's floating for more than a few days, you may have to do something. But I wouldn't worry about it just yet.

dogan
24th October 2007, 11:42
i had a look just then.. she gets a gulp of air then she floats,
i moved the floating plant from near her then she swam down,
some air bubble came out of her mouth then she stayed on the bottom with her cloaca floating upwards.

it used to happen to some of my fish when they used to get too much oxygen into their bodies, could this be the same thing?

EDIT: she flicked her gills a couple of times and then her rear end went back down.

Neurus
24th October 2007, 19:28
This is as characteristic of female axolotls, Mine has been doing this for absolutely ages. They do like to float around i find it helps to put a few plants in there so they have something to stand on when they gulp air to float around. The tilting can mean she needs a poo, or just that she has gulped some air and is sticking her bum up. Most probably the latter especially if her legs are spread out for balance.
I worried about mine for literally months when she started doing this, then i realised after speaking to somebody who looks after them in a zoo that the girls just tend to do this. Apparently it is more common with albinos

Kaysie
24th October 2007, 22:08
Being female and being albino has nothing to do with it.

They float on occasion because of many reasons: gulped air, trapped gas, pending defecation, etc.

dogan
24th October 2007, 22:08
ohh ok thats great to hear..
my one is a white axolotl with black eyes.. does that mean leucistic?


thanks for all your help!

kclinton
24th October 2007, 22:17
Yes she is leucistic. I agree with Kaysie.

ianclick
25th October 2007, 01:49
Hi Dogan,

I have three axies at present. One likes to float and gulp air, One likes to swim mid tank up and down and the third likes to walk and only swims to get to his food. I put it down to being a "different strokes for different folks" type of thing.

How long have you had your axie? What kind of sustrate are you using and has it ever neen on a gravel or small pebble substrate? It can take months for an axie to clear gravel and pebbles through their system if they have ever eaten any and floating as you describe can sometimes indicate that they need to pooh.

I wouldn't worry if all your water parameters and temp are good and its eating then yay, relax and enjoy.

Good Luck

dogan
25th October 2007, 06:53
ive had my axie for about 2 weeks, i bought it off a lady that especially breed these so most likely it hasnt been on gravel or small pebbles etc. right now its got bare bottom.

the thing im worrying about is that it wasnt doing this before..

EDIT: Its gills are bright red, it tries to swim down but it cant, it just floats back up.. i dont think this is something it wants to do, im going to try to feed it soon, i hope it eats...

ianclick
25th October 2007, 07:46
I wouldn't worry about the gill colour bright red just means oxygenated. When axies are inactive or asleep their gills are pale when they are active they are brighter this is because of the increased oxygen. Its perfectly normal albeit a bit freaky to witness at first.

The floating is something to watch I have a floater and a swimmer and a walker. The floater was a concern but its just what she does on occaision.

Yours sounds like it may have an impaction or just a bit constipated. I would keep an eye on it as you have been and if it din't settle down in a couple of days I would put it in the fridge for a week or so and you will be able to see what it clears out. Fridging slows down there metabolism and helps them to pass obstructions.

Good Luck

dogan
25th October 2007, 08:57
i gave it a earthworm before but it didnt eat it.

its last meal was 3 days ago, it was a pretty big earthworm.. could that have something to do with its digestion??

EDIT: Well like 4 days ago his tank cracked i dont how but it did
i moved her to a temporary tub were she was until now, i moved her to his permanent tank thing just then.
While i was moving his plants and rocks and stuff she let out a air bubble and went back down to the bottom of the tank.. i think it was trapped air??

also her body is more redder, is this like the gills because of the oxygenation?

EDIT: OK well she just got another gulp of air.... and.... yep you guessed it! she started floating again.. is there anything i can do about it?

Kaysie
25th October 2007, 12:20
If she's gulping air excessively, this could mean you have a water quality issue.

Did you cycle the tank? What is the temperature? Are you running a bubbler?

dogan
26th October 2007, 10:38
nah shes not gulping excessively, just occasionally. since i moved her to her new home shes been more happier, shes got much much more room to swim plus shes not floating anymore!

Kaysie
27th October 2007, 23:52
I have deleted these posts as they did not pertain to the thread, and detracted from Dogan's issue.

dogan
28th October 2007, 11:10
well today she had her first axolotl pellet !! she had 3 actually!
i held the pellet in my hand, waved it around her head, she slowly rose, i let go of the pellet and wham! she ate the pellets.
Now whenever i put something above the water she rises to the top of the water and snaps at anything in the way :) i feel like ive accomplished something very big today!

bellabelloo
28th October 2007, 11:14
Congrats..
I have been trying to tempt my adult to eat pellets but so far no luck, but I haven't tried your method yet. I like to give my gang as varied a diet as possible, he eats most things...just not the pellets. This is really for in case I am unable to feed him/ them for some reason I thought pellets may be easier for some one else to offer.

Lisa
28th October 2007, 13:17
Mine will eat pellets but only so far if they're dropped directly above or slightly in front of his head and he'll snap at them as they descend thru the water. Won't eat them off the bottom however.

dogan
29th October 2007, 08:37
ye mine doesnt eat from the bottom either, and shes floating again... its gills look slightly more forward than usual aswell.. maybe im just seeing it like that, but for sure her gills are much redder. Its tail is more red aswell...

EDIT: I just tried feeding it, it didnt eat and also ive spotted something on one of the red filaments on its gill stalks, it looks like a white filament, it doesnt look fuzzy, it just looks like a red filament which has lost its colour. It was doing fantastic last night, but when i woke up i saw it floating again... im starting to get concerned again

dogan
30th October 2007, 06:51
i had a look at her now, her gill has this cloudy thing that looks like abit of cotton. When she swims roughly or fast they kind of fall off, ill post a pic up soon.
Is this fungus? what can i do to get rid of it?

dogan
30th October 2007, 07:21
heres the pics.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m101/dogantx3/DSC03422.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m101/dogantx3/DSC03421.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m101/dogantx3/DSC03420-1.jpg

the white thing is on its left gill in the pictures.

I think its fungus. How can i treat it?

Kaysie
30th October 2007, 14:35
It looks like a small touch of fungus. This could be from the stress of everything else that's going on.

Fungus is usually treated by fridging and salt baths as follows: 10 minute baths, 2-3 times daily, 2 teaspoons of aquarium or kosher salt per liter of water. If you're doing salt baths in conjunction with the fridge, be sure your salt bath solution is also refrigerated.

dogan
30th October 2007, 21:13
thanks for the info ill do the salt baths as soon as i can find some of those salts.

dogan
31st October 2007, 05:08
ok i have just had a look at it now and the fungus is gone, there is none on its gills. But still she floats. I think that is what caused her to get the fungus in the first place. she gets a gulp of air and then she gets stuck floating on the top of the water, she stays up like that until she lets out an air bubble or swims down into the pipe.

dogan
13th November 2007, 04:54
hmm.. she was floating again, but this time for 3 days!!
so yesterday when i gave her the waterchange i used the water conditioner and the water ager, and now shes back on the bottom of the tank.

when i think about it she started floating last time aswell when i just put in normal tapwater, then once i put the water ager and conditioner she went back down.

kapo
13th November 2007, 05:07
Water ager and water conditioner should be the same thing. Don't overdo it! You shouldn't use straight tapwater. Just use the one that removes chlorine and chloramines from tapwater. Easiest if you prepare a waterbucket of tapwater with the dechlorinater (water ager/conditioner) at least an hour before the waterchange or the night before and leave it in the same room. The water needs to be same room temperature as the tankwater.

What is your tank temperature? The floating issue may be related to temperature. Also when did you last test her water and what were the parameters - ammonia, nitrite, nitrate. Remember this can also impact on your axolotls behaviour if your tank is cycling or having water problems due to heat etc....

paganwitch
9th December 2007, 03:01
http://www.mirc-info.ch/practicalaxolotl.pdf


here is some information that might help :)