FYI: Oh no, poor Draco on ebay

esoteric · Jul 15, 2009

I'v just come across this ebay listing and shuddered at the possibilities. I have emailed the seller as below and hope the seller takes appropriate action. Perhaps one or 2 friendly emails might help. Maybe I should have asked the seller to direct potential buyers to axolotl.org. Perhaps someone else might do that.

My email:

I wish I could travel to North Yorkshire to take Draco, but I can't. I really wish you would edit your advert though so that whoever does buy him realises it's not only cruel to force metamorphose an axolotl, it is almost always fatal to the axie too. Some pokemon fan might buy him thinking they really can "evolve" Draco. I will forward a complaint to ebay if this listing is not edited but I'm sure this will not be necessary. Sorry if I come across as a busy body, but I think you will concede that Draco's well being is the important thing here.

(I hope I've done the right thing. In hindsight perhaps I should have just asked them to remove the offensive paragraph.)

philbaker76 · Jul 15, 2009

Just seen this too ~ was about to post it.

Darkmaverick · Jul 15, 2009

I always thought its illegal to sell live animals through ebay. I am surprised to see that the post was permitted.

Fumi · Jul 15, 2009

I don't know about it being illegal. A lot of marine fish can be bought on ebay. So long as people are sensible on how they deliver the animals, then I don't see how it's any different to buying from any other online store.

However, not only would I be worried about Draco being forced to metamorphose, I'm concern that someone would think it neat to chop off a leg to see it grow back. Sometimes I think it should be compulsory to qualify an exam before you can own certain species. Just to be sure that you are a responsible owner and you know what you're getting yourself into. There would be far less unwanted pets as a result. Sigh.

Abrahm · Jul 15, 2009

Darkmaverick said:
I always thought its illegal to sell live animals through ebay. I am surprised to see that the post was permitted.

It's not illegal but it is against eBay policies. You can use the report this item link to bring it to the attention of the administrators. eBay doesn't approve posts but runs on community self regulation. Reported axolotls for sale have been revoked in the past.

esoteric · Jul 15, 2009

I'm not actually against the selling of axies on ebay, there is actually someone from Leicester who seems to be selling quite responsibly at the moment. He/she refuses to post because they have no previous experience at it. Self regulation is fine with me. Anyone wishing to do their bit, can create and save an axolotl search on ebay they will be notified each time there's a new listing and they can check it out.

big a little a · Jul 15, 2009

Esoteric

It might be a good idea for you to direct Draco's owners to this site instead of ebay - they could then pop Draco on the for sale section here and he would be rehomed with people who know about axies....the seller's may not listen to you, but at least you would have tried

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Zoe x

big a little a · Jul 15, 2009

In fact, I think I will email them, to tell them about this site AND point out that their axie looks seriously underweight, so if they don't sell it, they may want to think about feeding it once in a while

x

esoteric · Jul 15, 2009

I need to spread the green stuff around before I can rep you again Zoe. That sounds like a pretty direct email. BTW, you're really scary when you get cross, how come they haven't made you a Mod here yet?

Markw · Jul 15, 2009

There was a gold that just sold on the US ebay site too. I thought only small animals like fish and inverts could be sold here, so I guess a juvie axie would fall under being small enough. I wanted to urge the seller not to sell him, but I had no access to ebay as I was not home when it ended. Poor axie..

Mark

Mark

esoteric · Jul 15, 2009

Here's the reply I just received:

Hi im sorry that my listing offends you, but i can assure you that what i have written is actually true, and if you would care to read my listing again you will see that i have also written that not in a million years would i do this, but i was simply stating a fact. Which is really a rather interesting fact to know to anyone who may wish to buy my Draco! I have kept and bred marine fish and tropical fish for over 15 years, not only do i put everything into any animal i have, but i also reasearch every last detail of any animal i keep! Like i said i am sorry if my listing offends you in any way, but i was simply telling the life and amazing factors of owning an axelotl which have been a talking point in my house for years, of which i am merely trying to get any possible bidder interested and to not just buy Draco as a pet, but as a lovley, strange, different member of the family!! Thank you.

I have to draft a complaint to ebay now.

big a little a · Jul 15, 2009

esoteric said:
I need to spread the green stuff around before I can rep you again Zoe. That sounds like a pretty direct email. BTW, you're really scary when you get cross, how come they haven't made you a Mod here yet?

Hahahaha, EXCELLENT! Am I really?!?

LOL, I don't know if the exclusive quality they look for in a moderator is scariness...thank you though!

I have just emailed them....sure I will get a snotty email back too - you have to wonder though, if they're so adept at keeping axolotls, why have they not noticed how emaciated Draco is?!?! Grrrrr....

X

Markw · Jul 15, 2009

esoteric said:
Like i said i am sorry if my listing offends you in any way, but i was simply telling the life and amazing factors of owning an axelotl

If he wanted to post amazing factors, how about the needs that the axolotl needs in order to thrive, ya know..like what to feed and water conditions? Maybe thats too sensible.

esoteric said:
which have been a talking point in my house for years,

The posting says its only 6 months old?

I hate owners like this.

Mark

Kerry1968 · Jul 15, 2009

This poor axie is now relisted on Ebay. I have sent the following message to the seller:

Do you know that your axolotl is severely emaciated? Perhaps you would be better off trying to find out how to take care of it properly than trying to sell a malnourished animal. Maybe then you could pass on useful information to prospective owners rather than trying to sensationalise the axolotl with stories about metamorphasising and limb regeneration.

Do you think they're going to get fed up with being bombarded with messages from angry axolotl owners?

Kaysie · Jul 15, 2009

big a little a said:
LOL, I don't know if the exclusive quality they look for in a moderator is scariness

We are oppressive ogres.

As far as the Ebay thing. The best way to change people's minds it to not tell them they're doing something wrong. That is, gently encourage them to do something different without it sounding like they're doing something wrong.

Point them here! Tell them there's a whole community dedicated to these weird little guys, and as a (not so great but still somewhat curious) axolotl owner, he'd fit right in.

Kerry1968 · Jul 15, 2009

Uhh sorry Kaysie, but this really got my back up and I have sent the above message already.

Of course you are right and knowledge is a great thing, but a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, as this axolotl owner shows.

Yes, I should have steered them here, if not for themselves then for the future owner.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

I just lost my rag at the sight of the poor skinny animal.

big a little a · Jul 15, 2009

LOL, I did a very similar thing a few hours ago - my email was as follows -

Hello, please can you remove the paragraph in your advert for Draco, regarding the forced morphing into a terrestrial salamander - if this is attempted, it would likely kill him. Additionally, if you don't sell him, please consider feeding him more as he looks very malnourished - a diet of live earthworms and bloodworms would be suitable. I would advise that you check this site: http://www.caudata.org/index.php as they have a for sale section for amphibians, so you can find him a loving home - so, if you don't sell your axie, you can at least learn to care for him properly. Thanks

That didn't sound too snidey, right? Ron, did it scare you?

Kerry, when you say it's been relisted, does that mean Ron reported it and it was removed and then she has just reposted it?

Zo x

ianclick · Jul 15, 2009

Well done everyone,

However I fear that you are trying to open a closed mind. The person with Draco makes several inaccurate statements about axolotls being dragons and fish yet claims to have researched and have a sound knowledge base "I also reasearch every last detail of any animal i keep!" Yeah Right that would be why they can't spell axolotl and call it a dragon fish, I believe they also have amazing powers of alchemy and can fly if given the chance to grow wings.

This seller is clearly a clown and a shocking sales person.

Kaysie · Jul 15, 2009

I can totally understand where you guys are coming from, and I'm not ragging on you for trying. But like (the Mighty Wise) Ian said, you're trying to open a closed mind.

Hopefully he comes to his senses and comes here, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Fumi · Jul 15, 2009

I wish that I lived near by so I could collect him. Hmmm... North Yorkshire is a silly place to sell axies from. They should all sell local to me. :nono: Shame there isn't someone on this site who is in Northallerton who could rescue him. We can only hope that whoever he does end up with is more responsible than his current "keeper" and knows the basics of animal care. ie. you need to feed them.

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