Caudata.org: Newts and Salamanders Portal

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Did you know that registered users see fewer ads? Register today!

My little ones vs. Mendel's law

Dominick

New member
Joined
Oct 3, 2012
Messages
47
Reaction score
1
Location
Antwerp, Belgium
It's the first time that I've got larvae from my axolotls, but their color is baffling me.
I've added a picture so you guys can see them.
In total I have 11 larvae, and their colors are like in the picture: I have a few yellow'ish ones, and the others are more brown'ish. I'm assuming that the brown colored ones are wildtype?

Now, here is what confuses me:

My male is an albino, and his parents were golden x albino.
My female is a slightly spotted leucistic and here parents were leucist x a heavily spotted leucist.

So, in that sense, is it even possible for them to have wildtype larvae if they'd follow Mendel's laws? So I'm assuming this isn't the case.
Or am I just wrong and aren't the brown ones wildtypes?
 

Attachments

  • 2013-02-09 12.53.08.jpg
    2013-02-09 12.53.08.jpg
    50.2 KB · Views: 231

oceanblue

New member
Joined
Sep 27, 2007
Messages
654
Reaction score
52
Location
Brecon beacons
They look like wild types to me, though obviously it is hard to be absolutely sure from this photo.

Remember that albino and leucistic are separate characteristics. Your female must have two copies of the leucistic gene but does not have two copies of the albino gene.

It depends on what your male is. He must have two copies of the albino gene but he could be white because he has two copies of the melanoid gene rather than the leucistic mutation. Does your male have shiny eyes? I guess he doesn't and Mendels laws stand!
 

jane1187

New member
Joined
Jul 23, 2009
Messages
285
Reaction score
21
Location
Bierley, Yorkshire
In fact by Mendels laws of inheritance you SHOULD have wild type larvae. Both of your adults, leucistic and albino, have recessive genes. By crossing them you have created offspring which only carry those recessive genes, rather than express them as the parents do. I think you've both slightly misunderstood the genes causing albinism and leucism.

Most of your offspring should be wildtype and any other offspring are a result of carried recessive genes the parents had.

Effectively by crossing two different recessive genes you have created offspring which are all heterozygous (carriers) of both genes, but all of which express a wildtype colouration.
 

Dominick

New member
Joined
Oct 3, 2012
Messages
47
Reaction score
1
Location
Antwerp, Belgium
Hmm, I wouldn't say that his eyes are shiny. I really didn't expect to have wildtype babies!
It feels like the kind of situation were you have two Caucasian parents and you get a baby with a darker skin tone, haha!

Thanks for the answer. ^^
 

Kaysie

Site Contributor
Joined
Mar 10, 2003
Messages
14,465
Reaction score
110
Location
North Dakota
Except you don't have two Caucasian axolotls. You've got an albino and a leucistic. Think of leucistics as non-brown wildtypes. They have the same colors as a wildtype, they just don't migrate off the neural crest.
 

SuperSteve

New member
Joined
Oct 6, 2012
Messages
96
Reaction score
2
Location
Chorley
Mine started off as a dark brown colour but are slowly turning lighter and lighter by the day. On some of them they are light brown all over but white patches are starting to show up.
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • Shane douglas:
    with axolotls would I basically have to keep buying and buying new axolotls to prevent inbred breeding which costs a lot of money??
    +1
    Unlike
  • Thorninmyside:
    Not necessarily but if you’re wanting to continue to grow your breeding capacity then yes. Breeding axolotls isn’t a cheap hobby nor is it a get rich quick scheme. It costs a lot of money and time and deditcation
    +1
    Unlike
  • stanleyc:
    @Thorninmyside, I Lauren chen
    +1
    Unlike
  • Clareclare:
    Would Chinese fire belly newts be more or less inclined towards an aquatic eft set up versus Japanese . I'm raising them and have abandoned the terrarium at about 5 months old and switched to the aquatic setups you describe. I'm wondering if I could do this as soon as they morph?
    +1
    Unlike
    Clareclare: Would Chinese fire belly newts be more or less inclined towards an aquatic eft set up versus... +1
    Top