New babies.. what color will they be?

Top - leucistic
2nd - wildtype and albino
3rd - albino, possibly golden
Bottom - you have a leucistic, a golden albino, and some white albinos

What were the parents?
 
No need for a new topic so...

Leucistic or Wildtype?
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I'd say wild type, but probably tan rather than brown. I had a couple like that who are now a beautiful leopard spotted colour.
 
auntiejude said:
I'd say wild type, but probably tan rather than brown. I had a couple like that who are now a beautiful leopard spotted colour.
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Just saw this...

If that's the case, then I have ZERO Leucistics like mom.

I believe Mortimer has the same issues, hers were ALL Wilds.

I have Wilds and Albinos it seems.

How is that possible? I'll ask Willowcat what kinds he's seeing, but I have obvious Albinos, obvious wilds, and these lightly speckled ones that don't look like Leucistics OR the rest of the wilds.

What gives?
 
Leucistics are d/d and m/m, if either parent in D/D or M/M you won't get leucistic babies.

You have to remember that wildtypes are the 'default' setting: D/-, M/-, A/-, AX/-, and although they can carry recessive genes you may not know until they breed.

I have exactly the same - my 2 wildtypes produce 75% wildtypes and 25% albinos - I can conlcude that they are both carrying a recessive albino gene, but possibly not any other recessive genes.
 
auntiejude said:
Leucistics are d/d and m/m, if either parent in D/D or M/M you won't get leucistic babies.

You have to remember that wildtypes are the 'default' setting: D/-, M/-, A/-, AX/-, and although they can carry recessive genes you may not know until they breed.

I have exactly the same - my 2 wildtypes produce 75% wildtypes and 25% albinos - I can conlcude that they are both carrying a recessive albino gene, but possibly not any other recessive genes.
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Didn't think of that...Gues my Wild is a D/D then? That explains it, at least. A shame. I wanted some little mommys too! :/
 
OK so far then I can conclude:
Leucistic: d/d, A/a, unknown M status, unknown AX status.
Wildtype: D/D, A/a, unknown M status, unknown AX status.

How would AX present itself?
 
AX is the gene for xanthophores - yello/red pigments. It's what make golden axies golden, and presents in other colours as yellow or orange spots.
 
So if any of my albinos are golden, then its AX/ax at the very least. I'll have to give it more time. Same for the M to surface.
 
That photo seems to have a pink colour wash! Have you got a clearer photo?
 
Ok, so here is Tank:
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And here are my 3 groupings of babies:

Albinos. Gold looking?
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Wilds:
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The others that look like Tank, originally I thought Leucistic.
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I think Tank is a paler wildtype, although I wouldn't rule out heavily pigmented leucistics for some of the others. You'll find out in a month or so!
 
I find it interesting that the "pale wilds" or whatever they are have no specks on gills, or down the middle of their bodies.
 
auntiejude said:
AX is the gene for xanthophores - yello/red pigments. It's what make golden axies golden, and presents in other colours as yellow or orange spots.
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I keep thinking about this post and this picture:
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Those definitely look like yellow specks. Safe to assume I'm not going to see any ax/ax babies?

Any idea how to figure out if mom and dad are AX/AX or AX/ax? I suppose at least ONE of them has to be AX/AX? Are regular albinos ax/ax?
 
Yes, thats definately yellow! It will be a gorgeous golden albino, but I can't see iridophores.

The mechanism for albino colouring is dependant on all 3 other colour genes - very nicely explained with pictures here.

I think the AX gene is the hardest to determine in wild types, as there are a lot of colour variations in wildtypes themselves. My black wildtype has some beautiful gold iridophores (obviously M/- and AX/-), but I've never been convinced on the AX and M status of my other wild (brown and speckly), she may even be melanoid (no silver ring around her eyes). My leucistic is definately m/m and ax/ax, as she is completely pink with no other colour or iridophores (other than her dark eyes and a few grey freckles).

To accurately determine the genetics of any individual it takes a full family history - parents, siblings and offspring.

The distibution of colouration in babies is fascinating to watch as they develop - mine that started out like your pale ones have turned into leopard spot patterns, the darker ones are almost black. My greyish albinos have become pinky-peach - not golden but not completely pink either.
 
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