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Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:10
Ok so I am new here my name is Connor :) I keep Japanese firebelly newts, and other non Caudata. Ok so I am here because I'm just finished cycling my new axolotl tank and I've been looking around and found whats listed as neon green glowing axolotls on buy-axolotls.com. I looked closely at them and realized they match no morph of axolotl I've heard of and I've been researching in small amounts for 3 years and a lot lately so it's confusing to see these. They are colored kinda like a golden kinda but have black eyes like a leucistic. I was told they are a yellow bodied morph by the owner of the website but I can't find any other animals like them by this name. So what are they?

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:12
Here's a picture from the site.

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:15
And one other pic off his site showing one compared to a Normal leucistic.

xxianxx
19th February 2014, 01:19
The neon ones on that site are gfp, they look a bit pricey and some of the info about axolotls is dubious to say the least. You would be better sourcing them off a private breeder on this site. The yellow one is unusual though, gold with black eyes is rare, I would pay a lot for that one, as long as its not dyed

Kaini
19th February 2014, 01:24
I'll echo the advice not to buy from that site. The information is harmful and the animals are way overpriced. But yes, that's a GFP (glowing fluorescent protein) axolotl.

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:26
Yeah I am aware they are gfp and I am probably going to buy from another breeder I've found anyway. Just the actual morph confuses me. They look way too yellow to be gfp leucistics that's what I'm confused about because from what I've seen being gfp isn't enough to make that much of a color change.

Kaini
19th February 2014, 01:30
Yeah I am aware they are gfp and I am probably going to buy from another breeder I've found anyway. Just the actual morph confuses me. They look way too yellow to be gfp leucistics that's what I'm confused about because from what I've seen being gfp isn't enough to make that much of a color change.

From what I understand gfp makes them look sorta neon green in normal light as well (though I've never had a gfp, this is just hearsay). So I would guess its a very gfp leucistic? Or dyed/photoshopped, honestly I don't believe much of what I see on that site.

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:38
Idk I'm guessing its real and despite the price and what the website says I may order one as they are unique in my opinion and I can always borrow one of my cousins gold albinos in the future and see if its genetic or dye because my setup is a 20 gallon long so I have enough room to breed if wanted :D

Kaini
19th February 2014, 01:41
I honestly would not support that site at all, but just my two cents, up to you. I'm not sure you'd get a healthy animal either (the site says you can keep axies in chlorinated water....... Because swimming pools do it. Ummmm)

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:42
From what I understand gfp makes them look sorta neon green in normal light as well (though I've never had a gfp, this is just hearsay). So I would guess its a very gfp leucistic? Or dyed/photoshopped, honestly I don't believe much of what I see on that site.

Also I have seen gfp leucistic and they aren't as yellow as on the site they are barely affected colorwise at all in my experience

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:46
I honestly would not support that site at all, but just my two cents, up to you. I'm not sure you'd get a healthy animal either (the site says you can keep axies in chlorinated water....... Because swimming pools do it. Ummmm)

Ok I didn't read that part If I do Im asking for a picture of the animal first. he also said axolotls are social so you should keep 2 in a ten gallon in my opinion ten gallons is only enough for one axie so it might be a bad idea to order from there

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:54
So anyone else have any idea what morph these are because I just watched a video of a gfp leucistic and they look nothing like the ones in the picture

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 01:57
So anyone else have any idea what morph these are because I just watched a video of a gfp leucistic and they look nothing like the ones in the picture

Ok I just looked at other pictures and some gfp leucistics are more yellow and some look normal so now I need an explanation what causes some to apear yellow?

auntiejude
19th February 2014, 08:28
The GFP causes yellow/green hue on any axie - it's more obvious on leucistics and albinos because they are pale. Lighting makes a huge difference too, and photoshop.
Axies are all individuals and may have a slightly different colouring to any other.

The photo you originally posted IS a GFP leucistic.

Yes, 10gal is not big enough for 2 axies, but they do not care whether they have company or not. One will be fine on it's own, 2 can live together in a 20gal.

michael
19th February 2014, 11:24
Here is one of my leucistic gfp. Their can be a lot of variation.

Boomsloth
19th February 2014, 11:46
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The big leucistic is GFP and does glow quite bright under a UV light. My other GFP is a wildtype and compared to the nonGFP wildtypes, is tinted a little green. I am questioning if the picture of the "neon yellow" axolotl is just an over expression of GFP or a trick with the lighting. I'll notice my GFP leucistic if its exceptionally bright outside will get a little yellow tint. I do not put UV light on my axolotls all the time, maybe 5 times max, the light seems to make the GFPs really uncomfortable.

Idk if the golden with black eyes is even possible since it would have to have some gene for dark eyes or be melanoid while also having the golden albino, or some type of variation of selective leucistism.
I would be skeptical buying any "rare" type of axolotl from them, and they would most likely charge wayyy too much.

usafaux2004
19th February 2014, 14:15
Nothing special at all. Here are mine:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a302/USAFAUX2004/IMG_4218.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/USAFAUX2004/media/IMG_4218.jpg.html)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a302/USAFAUX2004/IMG_4223.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/USAFAUX2004/media/IMG_4223.jpg.html)

auntiejude
19th February 2014, 17:28
I do not put UV light on my axolotls all the time, maybe 5 times max, the light seems to make the GFPs really uncomfortable.

GFP occurs in almost every cell in a GFP axie, it has been suggested that when exposed to UV light the INSIDES of an axies eyes glow as well as skin - no wonder they get a bit 'uncomfortable'. And axies have no eyelids to portect them - they can't even close their eyes to stop it. I saw a video on youtube of a GFP axie neaarly knocking itself out on the sides of the tank having a real panic attack under UV light - very upsetting to see.

EmbryH
19th February 2014, 18:23
So much about this thread is frustrating me.

I wouldn't support the website, as it's pretty bogus, and it seems that the primary goal is to sell axolotls to make money, not to create more well-educated axolotl keepers.

Auntiejude, the bit about that GFP makes me sick :( GFPs have never really sat right with me. I don't hold it against the animals, and I don't blame someone for having one, but I'd blame someone for keeping a light on them constantly or even a bit.

The "cool" factor seems to make them more likely to fall into untrained and naive hands, which makes me sad.

Boomsloth
19th February 2014, 18:42
GFP occurs in almost every cell in a GFP axie, it has been suggested that when exposed to UV light the INSIDES of an axies eyes glow as well as skin - no wonder they get a bit 'uncomfortable'. And axies have no eyelids to portect them - they can't even close their eyes to stop it. I saw a video on youtube of a GFP axie neaarly knocking itself out on the sides of the tank having a real panic attack under UV light - very upsetting to see.

The reason I got GFP axolotls was more of the research base behind how they got there. the very few times I used a UV light was probably less than a minute each time. I don't really think of mine as a novelty pet that I can show off because it glows, more of a different type of axolotl. I plan on breeding and trying to map out what genotypes each one of mine has and GFP is just another gene to me. The only advice I would give to anyone thinking about getting a GFP axolotl is to be even more cautious about lighting, especially direct/indirect sunlight. Also to provide a very dark hide since they seem a little more sensitive.

usafaux2004
19th February 2014, 18:48
For me, I of my GFP Wild and Leucy for the "cool" science factor. Outside of that...I think I used the light three times briefly to see it/show the effect to a med school friend.

auntiejude
19th February 2014, 19:34
Don't get me wrong - GFP is out there and we have to deal with it. It's just a case of managing it. Maybe a blacklight flashlight would be kinder if you want to see it glow so you can shine if from behind or down its tail (like I do with my goldens' iridophores) without bright lights in it's face. But the video I saw featured kids (teenagers) laughing and the axie and turning the lights on and off to make it react :nono:. There is no excuse for owners treating their pets that way.

I can't have a GFP - they aren't allowed in the UK (it's a GMO thing) - but even if I could I wouldn't want one. But I know they are readily available in th USA, and are becoming more common because of the nature of the gene itself is dominant.

Back on topic: that website referred to by the OP has been discussed - and trashed - on a few occasions on here for its bad info and high prices - avoid it, and buy from a local breeder (or at least a reputable one from here)

Azhael
19th February 2014, 19:55
GFP occurs in almost every cell in a GFP axie, it has been suggested that when exposed to UV light the INSIDES of an axies eyes glow as well as skin - no wonder they get a bit 'uncomfortable'. And axies have no eyelids to portect them - they can't even close their eyes to stop it. I saw a video on youtube of a GFP axie neaarly knocking itself out on the sides of the tank having a real panic attack under UV light - very upsetting to see.

Itīs no suggestion, you can literally see the interior of the eyeball being lit up.
I personally think that exposing GFP axolotls to UV light for fun is not ethically justifiable (doing so is essentially an admission that you care more about the cool fluorescent effect than you do about your pet), even more so when itīs morphs like leucistics which have no protection against the radiation.

The GFP gene is expressed in different levels of intensity so it is possible to have a bunch of GFP axolotls where ones barely show a very slight tint and others look like the ones in the pictures that have been posted.

Dragonfire
19th February 2014, 20:47
Ok thanks guys I'm just going to buy a gfp gold albino axie and I'm only going to use the black light for research purposes as it allows a good view of the blood flow and I would love to find out more about axies.

ChameleonCans
28th February 2014, 19:54
Buy-axolotls burned us pretty bad. We shipped them 50-60 axolotl. They had only ordered 50 from us and we sent extras thinking that it would be a good investment for future sales. The owner claimed only 40 arrived and demanded a refund for the "missing" quantity. Cutting our loses we refunded the $30. Within 24 hours he pulled the whole payment through his credit card. In the end, we paid him to take a lot of 50 axolotl. If you are thinking of buying an axolotl from him, please just buy from the breeders he has burned. They will give you a better price for the same axolotl you would purchase from him.

Dragonfire
2nd March 2014, 22:13
Buy-axolotls burned us pretty bad. We shipped them 50-60 axolotl. They had only ordered 50 from us and we sent extras thinking that it would be a good investment for future sales. The owner claimed only 40 arrived and demanded a refund for the "missing" quantity. Cutting our loses we refunded the $30. Within 24 hours he pulled the whole payment through his credit card. In the end, we paid him to take a lot of 50 axolotl. If you are thinking of buying an axolotl from him, please just buy from the breeders he has burned. They will give you a better price for the same axolotl you would purchase from him.

Yeah I bought from a breeder on here instead.