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billie 11th July 2002 17:55

I adopted my 2nd tiger last night and I am looking for the natural info on the Grey Tiger salamander "Ambystoma tigrinum diaboli". THIS GUY IS HUGE!!! I have never seen a salamander this big before. THe other tiger sallie I have, is a blotched tiger and is half the size but around same age.. This new tiger is a bland olive color but has NO strips on back at all. ONLY a few bands on belly flanks. and VERY tiny spots on tail. ANY information on this critter is VERY WELCOMED.

THANKS,
Billie

nate 11th July 2002 18:44

Billie, grey tiger sals are no longer A. t. diaboli. A. mavortium has been seperated from A. tigrinum, and diaboli is now A. mavortium diaboli.
In any event, the care is identical for all of them.

steve 11th July 2002 20:13

hey nate , was all the tiger names changed?

list i have:

Ambystoma tigrinum melanostictum
Ambystoma tigrinum diaboli
Ambystoma tigrinum mavortium
Ambystoma tigrinum tigrinum
Ambystoma tigrinum nebulosum
Ambystoma tigrinum stebbinsi


steve

billie 11th July 2002 21:19

Ok I'm confused, I have spent alot of time trying to learn these Sci names and they go and change it on me. FINE. Common names are easier to pronounce any how... ARE these separate species or still subspecies of Tiger salamanders?

Billie

john 11th July 2002 23:12

Everything is Ambystoma mavortium xxxxx except for the following (as far as I can recall):

<UL><LI>Mexican Tiger species (I think there is more than one?) - these are now mostly full species, such as Ambystoma valasci. <LI>The California Tiger Salamander - Ambystoma californiense. <LI>The Eastern Tiger Salamander - Ambystoma tigrinum (now the only tigrinum).</LI>[/list]

nate 11th July 2002 23:42

Right, all the old tigrinum subspecies are now subspecies of mavortium, that's all.

steve 12th July 2002 05:08

why did they seperate the eastern. It looks the same as arizona, well at least that's the problem Im having identify. Where do you guys get this info?

nate 12th July 2002 16:18

The info comes from science journals. A. tigirinum and A. mavortium were seperated due to molecular and geographic data. Though many salamanders superficially look the same, even having very similar color patterns, on a molecular/genetic level they can be highly differentiated. In the case of tiger salamanders, they were different enough to be seperate species.

So for salamanders, looks often mean nothing. You'll never know for sure what your tiger is unless you know for a fact where it was collected, that's just the breaks. http://www.caudata.org/forum/clipart/happy.gif


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