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Fire Salamanders (Salamandra) The first salamanders described, this diverse genus of species and subspecies can be found throughout Europe and the Near-East. They are the animals that first come to mind when most people hear the word "salamander".

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Old 5th May 2006   #1
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William Jones just recently completed this beautiful piece of work:

http://www.caudata.org/cc/articles/S...ra_guide.shtml

I urge everyone to take a look and enjoy.



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Old 5th May 2006   #2
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WOW well done will that is rellay good saved it to my fav's lol keep up the good work



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Old 29th May 2006   #3
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Really nice article, now we can clearly see the beauty of Salamandra's.



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Old 16th July 2006   #4
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<font color="aa00aa"> Heck!
I thought I had s.s.salamander, now
I am not sure *blushes*
might even be terrestris, not sure now
*starts biting nails* </font>



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Old 16th July 2006   #5
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Wow! Great job on that Will!



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Old 17th July 2006   #6
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Vicky, if you do not know the locality where your Salamandra came from, it may never be possible to know with certainty which subspecies they are.



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Old 17th July 2006   #7
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Hi,

still there are mistakes in the S. atra part. S. a. prenjensis is not a valid subspecies anymore and the new subspecies S. atra pasubiensis is not listed.

Best greetings,

Kamil



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Old 17th July 2006   #8
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hehe It was only a matter of time before a mistake was discovered Click the image to open in full size.

Kamil- do you have any literature on prenjensis? or pasubiensis for that matter! I knew that prenjensis was slightly dodgey but i hadn't seen any articles on it.

thank you for your kind words everyone else

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hehe It was only a matter of time before a mistake was discovered Click the image to open in full size.

Kamil- do you have any literature on prenjensis? or pasubiensis for that matter! I knew that prenjensis was slightly dodgey but i hadn't seen any articles on it.

thank you for your kind words everyone else

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http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/1...50000509356680



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Old 6th March 2018   #10
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Allmost looking like the one bernardezi and galaica teratoies overlap so just wondering if iit could hapen in ones home why not?



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Old 6th March 2018   #11
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Not following you John. Can you elaborate?



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Hey ya sorry if thier teratoies overlap in nature why not in my home do you follow?



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My question is why if the spiecies overlap why is there no crossed subspiecies of the two?



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Old 17th July 2006   #14
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Hello William,

pasubiensis was described in:

Evolution of the melanistic colour in the Alpine salamander Salamandra atra as revealed by a new subspecies from the Venetian Prealps. This was published by Lucio Bonato and Sebastian Steinfartz in the Italian Journal of Zoology, 72: 253 - 260 (2005)

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Old 18th July 2006   #15
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Hi William,

Maybe you can add this picture of a S. s. werneri.

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Old 18th July 2006   #16
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And maybe this S s almanzoris can also be added.

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Old 1st August 2006   #17
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<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>Quoting Jennifer Macke on Monday 17 July 2006 - 04:21 (#POST101270):</font>

<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
<font color="aa00aa">I see, then that's that, I still have very
cute salamanders Click the image to open in full size. </font>



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Old 3rd August 2006   #18
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Frank, thank you for the photos! Will, can you please assemble an exact list of what needs to be changed in the article?



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Nice that you added Pasubiensis now!



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Hi William,

Maybe you can add these two pictures of S.a.tingitana &amp; S.i.semenovi, here too please?

http://www.feuersalamander.com/image.../tingitana.jpg

http://www.feuersalamander.com/imagesboard/semenovi.jpg

Greetings Michael ...



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