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Old 16th June 2003   #1
beckie
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Are there any arboreal salamanders? or even semi arboreal? i'm getting a salamander (haven't made the final decision, but i'm leaning towards a tiger) and i wanted to know if it would be a good idea to add things for climbing. thanx a bunch!



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Old 16th June 2003   #2
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Yes,
There is actually a salamander called the Aboreal salamander(Andeides lugubris).On the west coast the Genus of Aneides are called climbing salamanders.
Most salamanders are not going to need anything to climb on and a tiger salamander will definetly not.
-Travis



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Old 17th June 2003   #3
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More info here: http://www.amphibian.co.uk/aneides.html



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Old 17th June 2003   #4
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Just to be controversial, a question to the Aneides-savvy/knowledgeable enthusiasts and experts (you know who you are): What is the general perception of the accuracy of that caresheet?



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Old 17th June 2003   #5
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This is the only thing I found when doing a search for it, So I can't compare it to other articles. But it seems trustworthy.



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Old 17th June 2003   #6
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Thanks Coen, but I was asking for the opinions of people who know a lot about Aneides because I certainly don't.



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Old 17th June 2003   #7
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Same problem here John, I never even knew they excisted before reading this thread. But they look very interesting.

p.s. everyone go to the chat now!! would be nice to talk to some other people than myself over there Click the image to open in full size.

(Message edited by coen on June 17, 2003)



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Old 17th June 2003   #8
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While I don't have any experience with them, I thought I'd post this site for additional information. http://www.amphibiaweb.org/cgi-bin/a...ecies=lugubris

~Aaron



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Old 17th June 2003   #9
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has anyone noticed the oxymoron for Aneides lugubris? Lugubrious meaning dismal, generally gloomy. and aboreal meaning heavenly?




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Old 17th June 2003   #10
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hmmm....arboreal comes from arbor, or tree. It means tree-dwelling.



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Old 17th June 2003   #11
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A few things things to add to John's request for controversy...

I find that caresheet pretty accurate in the sense that you certainly aren't going to kill salamanders outright by using it the way some so-called caresheets will.

Some problems I have with it include his statement that "All Aneides require a brief hibernation period from December to February". This is a curious statement and I wonder on what it is based since species like lugubris, vagrans, and flavipunctatus tend to be VERY active in the wild from December-February. In fact, that's my preferred time to try and see them. Having lived in both southern and northern CA as well as Oregon, I can tell you that Aneides are certainly active during that time and readily observable as long as temperatures are not freezing.

And of course, his breeding claims...I think the distinction should be made between captive breeding and the collection of gravid females which lay eggs a few weeks later. 'Nuff said!



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Old 17th June 2003   #12
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Methinks Kaysie bit off too much.

To Nate: thanks, you knew I was talking to you originally anyway *grin*.



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Old 18th June 2003   #13
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John,
I am not an expert on Aneides but I am keeping A. flavipunctatus and A. aeneus right now.
I am going to agree with Nate on just about everything. I don't think hibernation is very crucial at all. I find A. flavipunctatus active during cold rainy nights December-Febuary so that leads me to believe that during this time they are not hiberating.
Up north where A. ferrus and A. vagrans occur it may be different when tempatures drop below freezing.I would doubt it though.
I saw that Marc had a friend collect A.f.niger and send them to him from Bouder Creek, Santa Cruz county.No exactly legal.He claims to have bred these but like Nate mentions,collecting gravid females that lay eggs later in not a captive breeding.
I think that it is accurate enough but is in no a way a perfect example of how to keep aneides.
I also noticed that he and EK went looking for A. aeneus in TN.Where has Erik been?
-Travis



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Old 18th June 2003   #14
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next time i'll pay attention... she put arboreal, then travis put aboreal...

i just like its scientific name



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Old 18th June 2003   #15
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To Travis...EK has recently moved and is super busy. I'm not even sure he's back online yet. But you can expect to see him again in the near future.



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Old 21st June 2003   #16
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Nate,
I remember him mentioning that he was moving. I figured that was it. Thanks for lettin me know.
Thanks,
Travis



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