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Tiger Salamander & Axolotl (Ambystoma tigrinum, A. mavortium spp, etc.) The Tiger Salamanders and the Axolotl are so popular amongst hobbyists that they have been given their own topic. If you're particularly interested in the Axolotl, there is a large section of the forum devoted mainly to beginner Axolotl enthusiasts (not this topic).

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Old 11th July 2002   #1
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I adopted my 2nd tiger last night and I am looking for the natural info on the Grey Tiger salamander "Ambystoma tigrinum diaboli". THIS GUY IS HUGE!!! I have never seen a salamander this big before. THe other tiger sallie I have, is a blotched tiger and is half the size but around same age.. This new tiger is a bland olive color but has NO strips on back at all. ONLY a few bands on belly flanks. and VERY tiny spots on tail. ANY information on this critter is VERY WELCOMED.

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Billie



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Old 11th July 2002   #2
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Billie, grey tiger sals are no longer A. t. diaboli. A. mavortium has been seperated from A. tigrinum, and diaboli is now A. mavortium diaboli.
In any event, the care is identical for all of them.



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Old 11th July 2002   #3
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hey nate , was all the tiger names changed?

list i have:

Ambystoma tigrinum melanostictum
Ambystoma tigrinum diaboli
Ambystoma tigrinum mavortium
Ambystoma tigrinum tigrinum
Ambystoma tigrinum nebulosum
Ambystoma tigrinum stebbinsi


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Old 11th July 2002   #4
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Ok I'm confused, I have spent alot of time trying to learn these Sci names and they go and change it on me. FINE. Common names are easier to pronounce any how... ARE these separate species or still subspecies of Tiger salamanders?

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Old 11th July 2002   #5
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Everything is Ambystoma mavortium xxxxx except for the following (as far as I can recall):

<UL><LI>Mexican Tiger species (I think there is more than one?) - these are now mostly full species, such as Ambystoma valasci. <LI>The California Tiger Salamander - Ambystoma californiense. <LI>The Eastern Tiger Salamander - Ambystoma tigrinum (now the only tigrinum).</LI>[/list]



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Old 11th July 2002   #6
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Right, all the old tigrinum subspecies are now subspecies of mavortium, that's all.



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Old 12th July 2002   #7
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why did they seperate the eastern. It looks the same as arizona, well at least that's the problem Im having identify. Where do you guys get this info?



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Old 12th July 2002   #8
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The info comes from science journals. A. tigirinum and A. mavortium were seperated due to molecular and geographic data. Though many salamanders superficially look the same, even having very similar color patterns, on a molecular/genetic level they can be highly differentiated. In the case of tiger salamanders, they were different enough to be seperate species.

So for salamanders, looks often mean nothing. You'll never know for sure what your tiger is unless you know for a fact where it was collected, that's just the breaks. Click the image to open in full size.



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