The C. chenggongensis thread yet again (II)

Ah hah, allow me to answer my own question here:

Fei, L., Ye, C.-Y., Huang, Y.-A. and Liu, M.-Y.
Atlas of Amphibians of China (1999)
Henan Science and Technical Press. Zhengzhou.

The assessment also mentions these two publications in the bibliography:

Yang, D.-T.
The Amphibia-Fauna of Yunnan (1991)
China Forestry Publishing House. Beijing.

Zhao, E.-M. and Adler, K.
Herpetology of China (1993)
Society for the Study of Amphibians and Reptiles. Oxford, Ohio.

Hmm, there is both a book and an article?

Hi Jesper, seems we posted our posts a minute apart and you beat me to it

Article?

I think the reference is just to the book...

That's not a new twist, but rather the same old mistaken information. This is just a case of people following already published material, not actually verifying anything. Business as usual.

Zhao has already told Angus that he feels chenggongensis is an invalid species, so that alone should tell us how mistaken the info is.

Today I saw some of this beautiful newts.
The are really fantastic, greenish - some with light orange/yellow spots, smooth skin and vertebral ridge not prominent!
Would like to keep them, but they are to expensive for me.
And I do not give a new judgement - tell me from what part of Yunnan they come and I say you if they are cyanurus, chenggongensis or an unknown (sub)species.

Paul

What?
You saw animals different from those shown here?
So these animals shown here are not the same as the ones you saw??

et al. means "and others". It refers to other authors. If et al., then it´s not refering to the "Fei, L. 1999, Atlas of Amphibians of China. Chengdu (China), Chengdu Institute of Biology, p. 1-432" as that work is written only by Fei himself.

Just a point...

/M

Hi Mattias,
Yeah exactly, it was the missing et al in the Atlas that made me suspect there was also an article.

(Message edited by jesper on October 18, 2004)

as you all could see in Gersfeld those newts were total different from cyanurus cyanurus. The photo of the last discussion was a photo of my cyanurus cyanurus. You can never determine a chenggongensus by only a photo, because the cyanurus-group is very large.You have to see the newts to give your opinion. They also look different by different light.
Paul, they were not expensive!! they were for trade!! And also the cyanurus were for trade. So I brought to Gersfeld something special and I would like to come back with something special without using money. But this was for me the last two years only possible when i paid a lot of money!! So this year I sold a lot of my CB so that i can buy also rare newts. I sold a lot of dobrogicus, white carnifex all own CB2004 and some cyanurus of Angus all CB!!!. This gaves me the opportunity to buy expensive newts.
So Paul. Start breeding some cyanurus for next year and sell them. Then you easy can buy chengongensis.


And I prefer trades
a frenchman promised me to trade with me some of his 4 corsica's with my cyanurus but when they saw my chenggongensis they only gave their little!!! newts when i gave them my chengongensis. Then I was so pissed that I gave the 2 females and 1 male as a present to one of my german newts-girlfriend, who breeds very succesfull every year. We will both breed them!

one more photo





(Message edited by jennewt on October 19, 2004)

Harry, for curiosity may I ask about the price of the chenggongensis (since I planned to go to Gersfeldt this year but something else came up in the last minute) ?

/M

Harry,
"and some cyanurus of Angus all CB!!!"
You mean to say that Angus' animals are CB?

Hi Harry,

"Paul, they were not expensive!! they were for trade!! And also the cyanurus were for trade. So I brought to Gersfeld something special and I would like to come back with something special without using money."
That's a good way! I also like to trade newts, but actually I do not have the right ones.
And it was great that I could see them.

"So Paul. Start breeding some cyanurus for next year and sell them. Then you easy can buy chengongensis."
Harry, I will give my best. Hope the cyanurus will also do.

Paul

I gave them free to a good friend.
Yes jesper. Most of the cyanurus are CB. Angus bred succesfull with rare species.
cyanurus grows very fast. I have also more than 50 larves in this moment and they grow spectaculair. I think they are almost adult in 1 year. They are very easy to breed!!!



(Message edited by jennewt on October 19, 2004)

And the initial price was?

Here the same larves of my cynops cyanurus on a photo made today (age 3 months) as you see they are very light and become spots. .

Harry, the larvae from C.cuynurus I had from J. fleck (now 4 years ago) also had some spotting.
Not all of them had this but there were some interesting colorations see at
http://elib.cs.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=1111+1111+1111+0633

Currently I have both groups home, form the cyanurus I only have males, from the chenggongensis I only have 1 female. the cyanurus are young and were very pale when they arrived, the chenggongensis was also pale. After setting them up on the same gorundcover in a tank the cyanurus started changing color, the cyanurus don't. I have currently set the animals together in the same tank to see eventual changes in behaviour or if there's a male female interest...
I have asked both Harry and Tim to shoot some images of the animals in millimeter paper so that we may do some morphometric comparaisons. I do have the impression that my chenggongensis female has some brighter colorations lateral dorsally but convincingly. I need to be able to shoot images without flash to show the differences since I get the impression that the flashlight wipes out some details. I had hope to do so this weekend , but unfortunatelly I didn't succeed with he bad weather we had (I need some good sunlight) so I put my hopes on next weekend

I find it interesting to see how dark they can become, such as the one on the left here



It looks like it has a prob with its rear leg. Perhaps nipped by another newt? A bit worrisome...