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![]() The first step is to establish the root cause of the infection, I split this into two categories 1) injury caused by a bite or possible damage from an object in the tank, leading to a breach in the slime coating and subsequent infection. This is generally a nipped toe or slight gill damage, if it is a more severe injury such as a partially amputated limb or body fungus treat it as a category 2. 2) the second category covers three areas a) ammonia spike causing a breach in the slime layer and subsequent infection. b) a sick axolotl with a lowered immune system developing fungus as a secondary infection c) serious injury breaching slime later It is important to determine which category of infection your axolotl is in. If it is a slight injury to a healthy animal you will need minimal treatment, if it is an infection due to poor tank conditions damaging the slime coating these conditions need to be rectified or the axolotl may undergo further fungal infections after treatment. If your axolotl has a lowered immune system due to illness it needs to be diagnosed as this condition will need treating as well as the fungus. My methods of treating fungal attacks are as follows: Category 1) First action, do nothing, a healthy axolotl may fight the infection off, keep it under observation for a week, if the infection doesn't start to recede or at any point starts to spread isolate in a bare tank with a hide. Add undechlorinated water, this will cause a slight irritation but less so than a salt bath, almond leaf may also be added at this point, though I generally only add if the fungus is spreading fast. If the fungus doesn't clear I use a stronger solution, this can be done by boiling some leaves up and using the coloured water. Category 2) Undechlorinated water and a strong almond leaf solution with salt bathing if the infection doesn't start to recede within a few days. The use of undechlorinated water is advice I give to UK users, it would be useful if keepers from other countries could comment if their water is suitable for this. An alternate treatment is tea bathing. I have no experience of this so feel free to comment if its a treatment you use. Untreated fungus can cause death. If you catch it early enough it is very easy to treat but its important to recognise that the fungus may be a symptom of some other problem. If your axolotl regularly picks up infections you need to review your care standards, poor water quality and high temps will increase the likelihood of a fungal infection. Almond leaf may also be used as a preventative treatment, whether it is left in the tank on a regular basis or added to a tank when an open wound is observed.
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Over the 10 years or so that I kept and bred axolotls, every single time they had fungus it was because I had let the water quality slip. I found them much more sensitive to high nitrate levels than most fish I've kept, their appetite would diminish and they would get gill fungus if I let the level get over about 40ppm. Once Id done a water change and levels returned to normal they would easily fight off the fungus without any help at all.
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I know the area I'm around in the US (florida) adds some chlorine and other chemicals to prevent bacteria from growing in the tap. However its more of a regional basis when it comes to how and with what the water is treated. When I lived in NJ we had well water that was extremely rich with minerals and tons of iron. I obviously didn't have axolotls at the time so I do not know how that would effect them.
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While I'm well aware salt baths are a relatively safe and an effective method for treating fungus, I also agree they can cause unnecessary irritation. As an example, I've included a video of an axolotl placed in a salt bath which displays a brief bout of thrashing upon introduction, behavior which is common with this treatment. Salt baths have also been known to induce emesis in some axolotls during treatment. If there are alternative methods which provide similar effectiveness without the irritation, they should be considered. It should also be noted that many of the alternative methods mentioned require very little handling of the axolotl, which is an overlooked benefit to aid in recovery.
Sonriente Twirling.mp4 - YouTube (video was from a post where the axolotl was being treated for a fungal infection on his tail) Below are some of the dosing instructions for the mentioned fungal treatments: Indian Almond Leaves Quote:
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Chlorinated water / Untreated Tap water (Because of EPA regulations in the United States, chlorine and chloramine in drinking water shouldn't exceed 4ppm) Code:
Chlorinated water not to exceed 5ppm as a bath for up to 2h daily Salt baths (For comparison, if you were to follow the salt bath tutorial sticky you would be dosing 2-3 teaspoons per liter, or roughly 10-17g/L for 10-15 minutes.) Use the lowest effective salt concentration I've included the more accurate dosages below, which using the lowest effective salt concentration is recommended. You don't need to fridge with salt baths It is often assumed that fridging must be done in conjunction with salt baths. For some severe cases or cases where the infection is at the site of an injury, fridging would aid the healing process but is usually not necessary for most mild infections. A quarantine container/tank should be used until treatment is complete. This will increase the efficacy of the treatment as you're not exposing your axolotl the same source water where the infection originally developed. Code:
Sodium chloride 10-25 g/L as a bath for 5-30 min Saprolegniasis. Wright, 1996. Raphael, 1993 does not recommend 25g/L for more than 10min. Code:
Sodium chloride 4-6g/L as a bath for 72h Crawshaw, 1992 (A strong oxidizer and sold as purple crystals) Code:
Potassium permanganate 200 mg/L bath q 24 hr for 5 min; 1 g/100 ml as topical tx q 48-72 hr Raphael 1993; Maruska 1994 Last edited by bellabelloo; 15th August 2014 at 21:37. Reason: Tablespoons changed to teaspoons. |
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This is really good helpful information.
Thanks to all of you..
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Yes thats fine.
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Anytime Ive had this issue it has always been because of water quality. I have always just done water changes and the fungus clears up.
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Looks good. Hard to tell from the pic, could you post a close up ? What's your temperature ?
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There are close up pictures on the other thread, I think it looks ok, but please could you check. I think there may be pale patches due to warm water, but I think Lucinka is more concerned about the gills, which I think are fine. Please could you double check the pictures and my response in the other post. Thanks. |
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I thought it looked more like a mucous response to heat, which was why I asked about temp. Will check the thread out
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That's not fungus!!! Fungus are hairy white no matter how small you'll still going to see the white fluffy hair growing out of your axolotl. Simple white patch can become "ick" , axolotl loosing pigment colors, or like other said some kind of slime problem do to heat.
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Should I be declorinating the new water every time I change the water? I live in Tokyo and the tap water here is pretty chlorinated. I have a very young axolotl who has something on one of his toes that I'm afraid is fungus(he's very active, might have snagged himself on something?) but I'm afraid of moving him around and treating him cause he's so little still> _ <
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Always use dechlorinator.
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I remember that the first time my axolotls got fungus, I called the nearest veterinary school, in my case it was UW Madison. They said they would call back with a suggestion and they directed me to an aquatics vet. I gave the vet a sample of the fungus, they gave me a solution and my axies came out A OK.
In my opinion the best solution to fungus is calling a vet school, worked well for me ![]()
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I remember that the first time my axolotls got fungus, I called the nearest veterinary school, in my case it was UW Madison. They said they would call back with a suggestion and they directed me to an aquatics vet. I gave the vet a sample of the fungus, they gave me a solution and my axies came out A OK.
In my opinion the best solution to fungus is calling a vet school, worked well for me ![]()
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I see the Indian almond leaves on Amazon, but does anyone have a recommended brand? I'm just wondering about the pesticides or fertilizer residues (if that is an issue).
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Hi, sorry for the hijack but I can't find how-to make my own thread. Can someone please help me with a possible problem I have? I'm not sure what this black dot is, it doesn't affect him in anyway, I first noticed it during a water change and assumed it was dirt but on closer inspection it's not.
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