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Fire-Belly & Sword-Tail Newts (Cynops & Hypselotriton) Perhaps the most famous and frequently bred newts in captivity, the fire-bellied newts and sword-tail newts are well known throughout the world as being excellent, gregarious captives.


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Old 24th September 2009   #21
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Default Re: Mix C. Orientalis with C. Cyanurus

I have few morphs but they're no hybrids, just C. orientalis



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Default Re: Mix C. Orientalis with C. Cyanurus

Would it be best for me to put male C. orientalis with female C. cyanurus, vice versa, or does it even matter?



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Old 25th September 2009   #23
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I don't think it's that important. Just don't distribute any offspring, in case they are fertile.



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I don't think it's that important. Just don't distribute any offspring, in case they are fertile.
I have to get them to breed first. I'll state it now that if by some chance they do happen to breed that the offspring will stay in my possesion, fertile or not.



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That's good to hear.



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Very good to hear...
About the combination, surprisingly it may make a difference. Ideally you would have to keep both (male orientalis with female cyanurus and viceversa).



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Default Re: Mix C. Orientalis with C. Cyanurus

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Here's a photo of one of the babies. I can also post clearer photos of the adults, if anyone wants them.

Wow. How big are they? Similar to C.o or C.p? I guess if Ligers are possible, then so can these be.



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Here's a photo of one of the babies. I can also post clearer photos of the adults, if anyone wants them.
I am shocked!
Never thought that this is possible - is it sure, that they are C.o/C.p?
Yes, please send photos of the adults!

The species reminds me to Pingia granulosa!

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Default Re: Mix C. Orientalis with C. Cyanurus

well, i knew allready, that this was possible. Also mixes with other Cynops species. Somehow I'm affraid mixes will be spread out in our hobby. I'm this far, I'd rather keep wc animals above cb. If you allready know that some species will interbreed, who are useless, why take the risk? I would say: please don't

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I'm this far, I'd rather keep wc animals above cb.

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Sorry, could you please explain that a bit further, i think i missed your point.
I think most of us agree that hybrids are bad for the species involved (i know i do), and would hate to see the hobby being contaminated with hybrids. Its a problem that concerns me deeply, as i fear that our hobby will sooner rather than later follow the dreadful paths of the snake hobby.



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what I mean, from wc animals (i have some species with locality data) you can be sure you have pure animals. For example: C. e. ensicauda will interbreed with popei. When you interbreed this hybrids with pure animals, soon you can't see anymore what species they belong to. Also because a lot of people don't really know the difference between this species



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That's another possibility. Interesting experiment for someone to try though. Anyone got any CB orientalis?
Yes, I have about 60 as we spoke of earlier, but haven't looked into shipping internationally or when I should ship them. They range from newly morphed 2 weeks ago to the first who morphed in June.

I'm not sure how I feel about this science experiment, though, I admit it's interesting. I've seen the Liger and I believe that while the first one was allegedly conceived the old-fashioned way, it wouldn't happen in the wild.

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Well Azhael, I mean, with wc animals you're sure you've got pure animals. For example: C. e. ensicauda and popei will also interbreed. When the hybrids breed with pure animals, you can't see what species they belong to. Also because a lot of people don't know the differences between those. I have luckely both species wc, with locality data



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Default Re: Mix C. Orientalis with C. Cyanurus

Hello everyone,
From what I could observe the two species in question, since I keep both (CO x CP), although their similarities are quite visible, their behavior is different. Especially in time to be fed. The cyanurus such loving creatures, sometimes seen wolves. I think it's a risk to join the two species. If this is done, the minimum that is observed in the feeding time, because the orientalis certainly going to eat less.
Already on the experience itself which could have interesting!? I think only the expectation of seeing how they go out the morfhs, nothing more! In nature, hybrids, where they reproduce, their genes end up being treated by only one species. However, certain species, and now I speak not only of newts, improve certain characteristics, such as singing birds, which put the benefits that may result from such experience? I wasted no time with this, but if you take this experience to aa front, good luck, because this is a lottery! Just an opinion!



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After all I saw photos of that "orientalis"- female, I think it realy is a pyrrhogaster!

So I repeat:
All genetical analyses suggest, that hybridisation of orientalis (also orphicus and fudingensis) and pyrrhogaster (also ensicauda) should not be possible!

It seems unlikely with:
- Cynops cyanurus (also woltersforffi and chenggongensis) with Cynops orientalis (also orphicus and fudingensis)
- Cynops pyrrhogaster with Cynops ensicauda

Conceivable within species groups:
- Cynops orientalis, orphicus and fudingensis
- Cynops cyanurus, woltersforffi and chenggongensis

BUT - please notice: "This are living creatures" - newts can not cry, so please don't make experiments with them!
That is unscientific!

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.... I am working with a scientist who is interested in how this crossbreeding is possible at the genetic level. He has DNA samples from both adults and a hybrid offspring....
any new information to this question?

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any new information to this question?

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No. The Cynops project is not the top priority at this laboratory. I'd be happy to put you in touch with them if you can persuade them that it should be



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