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Neurergus strauchii baranii (Baran's Spotted Newt)

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(Message edited by tj on August 01, 2004)
 
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How is the keeper keeping the adults? Could you pick his/her brain for information on breeding conditions for us?
 
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Jen, all he has are the CB juvies and I don't think he's bred them himself. They're fed mostly waxworms (or honey worms as they're called here).
 
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They were probably bred in Germany as a few years ago many adults were (illegally) imported by some people. They were sold on meetings. So there origin is probably a german breeder and some articles on breeding have been published in german magazines.
 
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That's the problem! Most of the information is printed in German, which is not available or understandable to me. These animals are coming into the US, but I can get only "rumors" about how to care for them, and particularly how to breed them. I got some excellent information from Henk Wallays' talk at IAD, but I find it is best to have several sources of experience.
 
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if i could get the german papers i could take a crack at translating them, my german is so-so but i am sure i could figure them out or at least get the general gist of them. If they are posted on the net send me a link and i will report back if i am able to do it.
 
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Tim - if you go to see these N. s. barani again, please try to take a photo of their ventral side. The belly pattern is supposed to be the major distinguishing feature between the two subspecies.

Ira - thank you for the offer. We have several people who are willing to help with translations. The problem is locating the information (most of it is not online) and getting permission to translate it.
 
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Nope, the belly pattern is exactly the same..in strauchii and barani. The original description of barani mentions something on the stripe on the belly not being interrupted, but in fact it can be too. So the belly pattern is certainly not the biggest difference. The biggest difference is that barani doesn't get much more yellow spots when it grows, whereas strauchii gets more and more spots as it grows old. And I think juveniles from strauchii have relatively bigger spots than barani. Compare these juveniles with strauchii ones, somewhere else on this forum.
 
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Just to show: here is a barani from the type locality
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and here is a strauchii from near Van See.
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Both males and photographed in the wild (and they are still there). These are two that look very similar.
These are two old females. This is a female barani:
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and this is a female strauchii
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