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Crocodile Newts (Tylototriton & Echinotriton)... Two popular genera of Asian newts, the crocodile newts are diverse of habit, habitat, and appearance. The Mandarin or Emperor Newt, Tylototriton shanjing, is highly sought after.

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Old 17th August 2014   #1
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Default Echinotriton chinhaiensis

Not sure if this is the correct place to be asking this....

Has anyone here ever heard of Echinotriton chinhaiensis being offered for sale or kept in your native country? I would someday love to own and attempt to breed this species as I hear they're becoming more and more scarce in the wild. I haven't even heard of any zoo's outside of China that are keeping them. Right now I'm happy to be raising my E. Andersoni, but any information on keeping chinhaiensis is greatly appreciated.



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As I understand it, they are so endangered in the wild that taking even a few animals could have a negative effect on wild populations. A breeding programme with full backing from a Zoo would be the only way to go at the moment, there's surely no place in the hobby for animals that are in so much trouble as a species as things stand?



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I've seen Tylototriton hainanensis in the pet trade in the last year. An importer recently got some Tylototriton psuedoverrusossus in but they are in rough shape. Often Tylototriton and sometimes Echinotriton will come in and the wholesaler won't know the scientific name.

When the wild type stuff comes it is often in rough shape. A good friend was looking for some T. shanjing and I gave him the heads up when an importer got a shipment. It looks like he will lose most of the shipment he got. I could kick myself for giving him the connection for the wild type.

My main emphasis has always been captive bred. Recent events have caused me to shy away from wild caught even more.



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Default Re: Echinotriton chinhaiensis

I have, but not for sale. I have them for three years, all raised from eggs. They grow very slow. So it's still a long way to breed them.



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I've seen Tylototriton hainanensis in the pet trade in the last year. An importer recently got some Tylototriton psuedoverrusossus in but they are in rough shape. Often Tylototriton and sometimes Echinotriton will come in and the wholesaler won't know the scientific name.

When the wild type stuff comes it is often in rough shape. A good friend was looking for some T. shanjing and I gave him the heads up when an importer got a shipment. It looks like he will lose most of the shipment he got. I could kick myself for giving him the connection for the wild type.

My main emphasis has always been captive bred. Recent events have caused me to shy away from wild caught even more.
Are you sure that is Tylototriton pseudoverrucosus??? One will pay a heavy price to get Tylototriton pseudoverrucosus. I nearly to die there. Only few Chinese have them.



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Are you sure that is Tylototriton pseudoverrucosus??? One will pay a heavy price to get Tylototriton pseudoverrucosus. I nearly to die there. Only few Chinese have them.
I'm not certain.
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Those aren't T.pseudoverrucosus. Probably T.shanjing.

I have heard of other E.chinhaiensis in captivity, purportedly from previously unknown [and now partly destroyed] localities. There were also a couple found in the Japanese pet trade, taken from a known protected location.

A number of different species have been in the US pet trade in recent years, including T.taliangensis, T.kweichowensis, T.yangi, T.shanjing, T.(Yaotriton) [probably more than one species, including T.lizhenchangi].



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I'm not certain.
They are T.shanjing.



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Thanks for clearing that up. Tylototriton and Echinotriton are often not properly identified when imported to the U.S.
On top of that some of the reptile wholesalers like to cram as many salamanders as they can in a box. One major wholesaler prefers to ship salamanders with less cool packs to save on shipping costs. I had a short dabble purchasing w.c. salamanders from wholesalers. I feel like I was putting my entire collection at risk. Now I am over it and will step very gingerly with wild caught animals.



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