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Plethodontids and Lungless Salamanders (Bolitoglossa, Eurycea, Plethodon, etc.) The largest, and one of the most diverse groups of salamanders, these salamanders have all evolved to breathe solely through their skin and are found almost exclusively in North America.


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Old 15th April 2012   #1
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Default What Is Your Favorite Genus of North American Plethodontids?

That seems like a pretty specific, and potentially difficult, question to ask, doesn't it? Yet, this is a subject that has been on my mind recently. North America seems to be the Plethodontid center of the world, at least as far as the hobby of keeping caudates is concerned. Very few of us are privileged enough to see in person, let alone keep, a Central/South American or European Plethodontid. So how about it? What is your favorite North American genus?



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I really enjoy Eurycea, after part of one of my Biology courses was centered on them. Plus, they come in all sorts of nice colors. My second favorite would be Plethodon. I'm a sucker for pretty colors and patterns.



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Hard to say Thomas since my favorites change from time to time. I currently favor the Ensatina genus. Nothing like the evolution of Ensatina and they're a good model "ring species". Other than Ensatina my old favorite is Plethodon. So many diverse salamanders in the Plethodon genus. P. jordani and P. yonahlossee always made me feel like a kid in a candy store.

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Neotenic_Jaymes: those are gorgeous ensatinas

My favorite would probably be the ensatinas. I am a nut for those buggy looking eyes from a facial view

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I love the unique Hemidactylium salamander besides that i would say Eurycea.
They are all pretty great.



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somehow my favorite, of any genus, is always the one I'm looking at at the moment.



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Default Re: What Is Your Favorite Genus of North American Plethodontids?

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That seems like a pretty specific, and potentially difficult, question to ask, doesn't it? Yet, this is a subject that has been on my mind recently. North America seems to be the Plethodontid center of the world, at least as far as the hobby of keeping caudates is concerned. Very few of us are privileged enough to see in person, let alone keep, a Central/South American or European Plethodontid. So how about it? What is your favorite North American genus?
I'm guessing your favorite genus is Eurcyea?



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Default Re: What Is Your Favorite Genus of North American Plethodontids?

Very hard to tell, Plethodontids are sure very very nice, rare sight... at leasts here over Europe.

I've got to say my favourite genus are:

Plethodon*
Pseudotriton
Ensatina
Batrachoseps*
Eurycea*
Aneides (mostly aeneus)
Desmognathus*

Being the ones marked with ' * ' the genus I've already kept/keep; species being the following:

Plethodon cinereus 1.1.1
Plethodon cylindraceus 0.0.3
Plethodon nettingi 0.0.1
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Desmognathus fuscus 1.1.0

Sadly B. attenuatus long gone... Such nice critters... Were my very first Plethodontid and not one of the most easy to care for... I wish I had that chance back with the knowledge I grew with other species since then and try it out once again.

Even so, If all goes steady and well, I'll recieve 3 Pseudotriton ruber schenki by the end of the year witch will be a very cool adittion to the collection... I wish they were more!



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Wow that Batrachoseps is awesome. I may have a new favorite lol. There is just so much diversity in this group that its hard to keep a favorite.



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Default Re: What Is Your Favorite Genus of North American Plethodontids?

Wow. Those pics are incredible! Currently searching for the end of my lower jaw, it dropped.

My favorites are Eurycea latitans (they look like they got out of a Las Vegas show with their sparkles!) and Eury. walacei (Georgia Blind Salamander, completely subterranean)

Eurycea is an incredible genus, so much diversity...



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I'm guessing your favorite genus is Eurcyea?
Actually, no. At the moment, my favorite Plethodontid genus is Desmognathus. I've only had experience with keeping Desmognathus orestes, but Desmognathus quadramaculatus and Desmognathus folkertsi are at the top of my list of favorites.

I've certainly kept more species of Eurycea than anything else, but they aren't my favorites. The species of Eurycea I have kept include:

Eurycea spelaea
Eurycea longicauda longicauda
Eurycea longicauda melanopleura
Eurycea guttolineata
Eurycea lucifuga



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Aneides. I love these little monsters.



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This is hard! Ultimately, I would have to say Hydromantes. For some reason, a picture of a limestone salamander has stuck in my head since the first herp book I read.



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Desmognathus are my all-time plethodontid love! So far i only have D. orestes (this genus is hard to get in Europe), but hopefully in future i will be able to keep some more. I'm a huge fan of D. monticola, D. quadramaculatus and D. fuscus.

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My favorites are:

Plethodon
Ensatina
Aneides (that's me!)
Bolitoglossa
Batrachoseps
Desmognathus

I have kept Ensatina, Batrachoseps, and Aneides, so those are my favorites.

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My favorite plethodontids that are legal to keep

Ensatina
Aneides

My favorite that are illegal to keep due to protection so hands off!!

Hydromantes
Batrachoceps robustus and campi

My favorite that are illegal due to country of origin

Pseudoeurycea (I'm surprised no one has not mentioned already)
Bolitoglossa

I would have to say the pseudoeurycea and bolitoglossa take the cake for me though. Some of them are bromeliad dwellers and that is just fascinating to me!!!



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As the question was about North American Plethodontids, I am not wondering why Bolitoglossa, Pseudoeurycea, Oedipina, Dendrotriton, Bradytriton etc. were not mentioned.

I have never seen any of those except for pictures, but my favorites have to be Ensatina sp., Batrachoseps (esp. campi, robustus, wrighti) and Aneides flavipunctatus.

If judging on all Plethodontids, I'd really love to have some Bolitoglossa in my hands at some point. Especially Bolitoglossa dofleini, as they are such giant, yet arboreal, sals. Some day I will have to go to central and south america to find them all, like a Pokemon trainer. Such beauty in insularis, mombachoensis, striatula, flavimembris, kaqchikelorum. I just guess they will go extinct or missing before I can go find them



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Pseudoeurycea (I'm surprised no one has not mentioned already)
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As the question was about North American Plethodontids, I am not wondering why Bolitoglossa, Pseudoeurycea, Oedipina, Dendrotriton, Bradytriton etc. were not mentioned.
Yeah, I think the reason nobody mentioned Bolitoglossa and Pseudoeurycea is because they are typically associated with Central and South America, and the question dealt with North American Plethodontids. However, Pseudoeurycea and, to some extent, Bolitoglossa are technically North American because they can be found in Mexico. But when I originally posted this thread, I had Plethodontids of the US and Canada in mind.

Even we do look at Neotropical Bolitoglossine caudates, my favorites are Nyctanolis and Ixalotriton.



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Desmognathus and aneides. I love observing quadramaculatus in a setup there used to.



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Actually, Pseudoeurycea belli might occur in AZ.

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