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Plethodontids and Lungless Salamanders (Bolitoglossa, Eurycea, Plethodon, etc.) The largest, and one of the most diverse groups of salamanders, these salamanders have all evolved to breathe solely through their skin and are found almost exclusively in North America.

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Default Which Plethodontidae is easy for a beginner?

Hi Folks,
i need some advice on keeping Plethodontidae species
i do have some experiences with Cynops, Paramesotriton etc...
i am new to Plethodontidae species. i have never keep any before. but i saw them available recently specifically Eurycea guttolineata and very curious and interested about them
i hope to get more information on housing them properly.
a few species i research came to mind but i am not sure if they are easy for a beginner
one thing i am concern is the cooler temp the Plethodontidae species seems to need a range of 20C and below?
Eurycea longicauda - can these be house at 22C?
Eurycea guttolineata - can these be house at 22C?
Eurycea cirrigera - can these be house at 22C?
Plethodon grobmani - do they have yellow spots or white spots? seems abit yellow to me - can these be house at 22C?
Plethodon glutinosus - do they have yellow spots or white spots? seems abit yellow to me - can these be house at 22C?
thanks and have a nice day



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Default Re: Which Plethodontidae is easy for a beginner?

Hello Folks
i see some interesting Plethodontidae are quite common.
Plethodon glutinosus and Eurycea cirrigera
may i know if they are easy for a beginner? are they easy to breed? can they survive well in higher temps like 22C degrees celsius?
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Default Re: Which Plethodontidae is easy for a beginner?

Hey! Sorry no one has replied to you yet! I don't have much experience with these kinds of Salamanders, but I'll try to help you out a bit.

I have done a little research on the two species you seem interested in. Eurycea cirrigera seems to be a semi-aquatic species and so I think that, as a beginner, Plethodon glutinosus would be easier to care for. This way you can have a strictly terrestrial habitat. You wouldn't have to worry about water quality as much and a set up is typically cheaper that way. It is also worthy to note that Plethodon glutinosus tend to be aggressive when defending territories, so you may want a large tank if your planning on having a couple, or maybe just stick with one if you are just having it for education or recreational purposes. They both are reported to eat small invertebrates, so if you can set up a living terrarium ahead of time and get it stable, keeping them fed should be pretty cheap as well. However, if you are intimidated by that, flightless fruit flies can be cultured pretty easily for them and you can just dust them with powder for extra nutrients. I personally have a living terrarium of isopods, millipedes, snails, and some worms.

All the information I gathered was found on Amphibiaweb.org. I suggest taking a look for yourself and see what their habits are and their needs to come to a decision. This hobby always requires a bit of homework. It is totally worth it in the end though! I hope this helps!



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Default Re: Which Plethodontidae is easy for a beginner?

hi bhill368,
thanks for kind advice
ya i do like Plethodon glutinosus especially those with golden/yellowish flecks or spots very much.
but i do read breeding them is difficult and the babies are very hard to care for?
any reasons why the babies are hard to care for? i can't seems to find much information on them.
other .Plethodontidae which i am very interested is Eurycea longicauda, these are simply gorgeous looking. but very little information can be found about keeping and breeding them.
hope if anyone has more information can share about them
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Hey! Sorry no one has replied to you yet! I don't have much experience with these kinds of Salamanders, but I'll try to help you out a bit.

I have done a little research on the two species you seem interested in. Eurycea cirrigera seems to be a semi-aquatic species and so I think that, as a beginner, Plethodon glutinosus would be easier to care for. This way you can have a strictly terrestrial habitat. You wouldn't have to worry about water quality as much and a set up is typically cheaper that way. It is also worthy to note that Plethodon glutinosus tend to be aggressive when defending territories, so you may want a large tank if your planning on having a couple, or maybe just stick with one if you are just having it for education or recreational purposes. They both are reported to eat small invertebrates, so if you can set up a living terrarium ahead of time and get it stable, keeping them fed should be pretty cheap as well. However, if you are intimidated by that, flightless fruit flies can be cultured pretty easily for them and you can just dust them with powder for extra nutrients. I personally have a living terrarium of isopods, millipedes, snails, and some worms.

All the information I gathered was found on Amphibiaweb.org. I suggest taking a look for yourself and see what their habits are and their needs to come to a decision. This hobby always requires a bit of homework. It is totally worth it in the end though! I hope this helps!



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Hi Folks,
i need some advice on keeping Plethodontidae species
i do have some experiences with Cynops, Paramesotriton etc...
i am new to Plethodontidae species. i have never keep any before. but i saw them available recently specifically Eurycea guttolineata and very curious and interested about them
i hope to get more information on housing them properly.
a few species i research came to mind but i am not sure if they are easy for a beginner
one thing i am concern is the cooler temp the Plethodontidae species seems to need a range of 20C and below?
Eurycea longicauda - can these be house at 22C?
Eurycea guttolineata - can these be house at 22C?
Eurycea cirrigera - can these be house at 22C?
Plethodon grobmani - do they have yellow spots or white spots? seems abit yellow to me - can these be house at 22C?
Plethodon glutinosus - do they have yellow spots or white spots? seems abit yellow to me - can these be house at 22C?
thanks and have a nice day
Hello, I second the vote for pletodon glutinous, although I've not kept them, I know their range extends to Florida, so I would expect that they can deal with 22C at least for short periods. Their morphs or phenotypes can be quite diverse though. Some are quite robust, with certain color patterns, while others are thin with other color patterns. I'd suggest buying this species in person so you are happy with your new, little friend. I've heard Eurecea prove challenging. Many people have started keeping Aneides sp, so these are also seemingly not too hard to keep. Yes, many lungless salamanders bite each other, self-automate their tails (I experienced this while picking up a Eurecea)or eat their eggs when startled, so also something to keep in mind. I keep Desmognus(spelling), and they are easy to keep and handle warmer temps better.



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Default Re: Which Plethodontidae is easy for a beginner?

Hi Nat1
Thanks for your kind advice.
yes this family Plethodontids is very diverse and there seems to be very little species specific information about keeping and caring for them.
for example i have seen Eurycea Guttolineata available for a while but i am not very sure how to take good care of them.
Pletodon Glutinous is commonly available and on my wish list, but a few question marks about them.. they seems to have short lifespan in captivity? difficult to breed?
and also Arboreal types Bolitoglossa mexicana. how do you take care of them?
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Hello, I second the vote for pletodon glutinous, although I've not kept them, I know their range extends to Florida, so I would expect that they can deal with 22C at least for short periods. Their morphs or phenotypes can be quite diverse though. Some are quite robust, with certain color patterns, while others are thin with other color patterns. I'd suggest buying this species in person so you are happy with your new, little friend. I've heard Eurecea prove challenging. Many people have started keeping Aneides sp, so these are also seemingly not too hard to keep. Yes, many lungless salamanders bite each other, self-automate their tails (I experienced this while picking up a Eurecea)or eat their eggs when startled, so also something to keep in mind. I keep Desmognus(spelling), and they are easy to keep and handle warmer temps better.



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Hey,

I am sorry, I don't have much experience keeping this group of caudates. So, I cannot give you for sure answers. Everything I said early is from doing some digging on the site that I posted above. I would suggest doing some research on those species, combining that information with common caudate keeping practices, and then make your decisions from there. That would be the most beneficial and efficient way to go about this. A lot of times this hobby requires a bit of research and set up ahead of time, but it is worth it!



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