The longest running Amphibian Community on the Internet.

Tags Register FAQ Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Caudata.org Store

Notices

Axolotl General Discussion Open axolotl forum: if it doesn't fit in the sub-topics then post it here.

Reply

 

Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12th August 2012   #1
axies for life
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 4
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: axies for life is an unknown quantity at this point
Question Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

Ok so I have a 20 gal talk tank and I am going to get 2 axolotls. I have decided to make my own decorations, any good DIY hide ideas? Also I need help with equipment because I used to live in Florida and had tropical fish so i need a chiller new lights etc. Also what plants can I use and are there any fish I could put in there and i would also like to put some muscles an clams, would that be ok? Thanks in advance for all your help.



axies for life is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th August 2012   #2
Mandi
(MandiceP)
Member
 
MandiceP's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 64
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: MandiceP has started on the right path
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

http://www.caudata.org/forum/f46-beg...ade-hides.html

I made a couple and posted some pics and info here. Others have posted about their ideas there as well! :-)



MandiceP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th August 2012   #3
jane1187
Member
 
jane1187's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 285
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: jane1187 is a mainstay of Caudata.orgjane1187 is a mainstay of Caudata.orgjane1187 is a mainstay of Caudata.orgjane1187 is a mainstay of Caudata.orgjane1187 is a mainstay of Caudata.orgjane1187 is a mainstay of Caudata.orgjane1187 is a mainstay of Caudata.org
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

First off let me suggest you take some time to read through the axolotl forums, and use the search function, there are lots of threads about set-ups, equipment, ideas for chilling, etc, as well as substrates, plants and ornaments/hides. You will also find that lighting is not recommended for axolotl tanks as they have no eyelids and cannot blink to shut out bright light. Natural light in the room should be sufficient.

Also may I recommend that you do not add fish to the tank. Some people add feeder fish such as minnows but it is best to quarantine them before adding. I am not sure about clams and such but my advice is avoid as an axolotl will eat anything that fits in its mouth and the last thing you want to be doing is trying to remove a shell from its mouth. Many many people here will recommend a tank for axolotls and axolotls alone. If anything put shrimp in there as they do a decent job of cleaning and can be easily eaten by the axolotls from time to time with minimal issues. You will find many thread discussing this too.



__________________
X-box 360? How'd I miss versions 2 through 359?
5.5.2 C. orientalis - 1.2.3 T. carnifex - 0.1 P. chinensis - 0.0.2 S.S. terrestris - 0.0.4 B. orientalis - 1.0.4 A. mexicanum - 0.0.20 T. verrucosus
jane1187 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th August 2012   #4
hacelepues
Prolific Member
 
hacelepues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Nationality:
Posts: 522
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: hacelepues has given good advice and informationhacelepues has given good advice and informationhacelepues has given good advice and information
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

First of all, the clams are a baaad idea.

They are pretty much like living rocks. The axies WILL try to eat them. This can cause 2 bad things to happen.

1. They successfully ingest the clam, but can't digest the shell and can't pass it. Impaction.

2. They try to eat the clam while it's open, but the clam snaps shut and traps the axolotls leg, or jaw, or throat, etc. This happens with snails a lot when axoltols try to eat them and they "shut their door", and I've heard of many axies dying from their injuries.

Tankmates that I would consider to be safe would be things like small shrimps (red cherries or ghost shrimp) or small fish like guppies/white cloud minnows. Understand that over time, these tankmates will get eaten. If you do add fish, make sure to observe them to see if they are being too agressive and nipping at the axolotl's gills. If so, you will have to remove them. I've never had this be the case, however.

I've got ghost shrimp in with my axies right now. And I'm trying to breed WCM to occasionally throw in some fry.



__________________
Bowie, Freddie and Sagan are my happy lotls! <3

Want more axie forum fun? visit http://www.reddit.com/r/axolotls/
hacelepues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th August 2012   #5
Jenste
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Nationality:
Posts: 463
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: Jenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and information
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

Also, a 20 gallon tall is only suitable for 1 axolotl due to the floor space. A 20 gallon LONG could accomodate up to 2



__________________
We have worried about making the planet better for our children but have not worried about making our children better for the planet
10 ACF, 7 Axolotls = Black Magic, Butters, Fluff, Puff, Reese, Spyro, Yoshi
Jenste is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th August 2012   #6
hacelepues
Prolific Member
 
hacelepues's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Nationality:
Posts: 522
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: hacelepues has given good advice and informationhacelepues has given good advice and informationhacelepues has given good advice and information
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenste View Post
Also, a 20 gallon tall is only suitable for 1 axolotl due to the floor space. A 20 gallon LONG could accomodate up to 2
I didn't read that part properly. Jenste is right! A 20 gallon tall can only fit one axie... and it's not really even that suitable, depending on the footprint :/



__________________
Bowie, Freddie and Sagan are my happy lotls! <3

Want more axie forum fun? visit http://www.reddit.com/r/axolotls/
hacelepues is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th August 2012   #7
TheAxolotlWhisperer
(Bdyoung)
Member
 
Bdyoung's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 337
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: Bdyoung has given good advice and informationBdyoung has given good advice and informationBdyoung has given good advice and information
Default

I'd have to disagree. While yes it is better for one and if you're a beginner I'd recommend only one. It all depends on the size it gets. My two axolotls successfully in a 20 tall, but they also stayed on the smaller side and weren't huge like some can get.



Bdyoung is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th August 2012   #8
Jenste
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Nationality:
Posts: 463
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: Jenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and information
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

a 20 gallon tall is only 4 inches long and 2 inches wider than a 10 gallon tank. This is too small for two axolotls that have the potential to get quite large.

Considering you are getting juveniles and not adults who are already full size, whether that be small, average, or large, it is a risk I would not take.

Unless you have two adults who are full grown and very small for the species, it shouldn't be done and small, undersized adults could be the result from living in crammed accomodations.



__________________
We have worried about making the planet better for our children but have not worried about making our children better for the planet
10 ACF, 7 Axolotls = Black Magic, Butters, Fluff, Puff, Reese, Spyro, Yoshi
Jenste is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th August 2012   #9
TheAxolotlWhisperer
(Bdyoung)
Member
 
Bdyoung's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 337
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: Bdyoung has given good advice and informationBdyoung has given good advice and informationBdyoung has given good advice and information
Default

A 20h is 4 inches deeper not 2. Also Axolotls don't grow to there tank. Also if you're considering that it's only 4 inches then you have to consider the fact a 20 long is the same depth as a 10 gallon so they wouldn't have much space to turn around.



Bdyoung is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th August 2012   #10
Jenste
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Nationality:
Posts: 463
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: Jenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and informationJenste has given consistently good advice and information
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdyoung View Post
A 20h is 4 inches deeper not 2. Also Axolotls don't grow to there tank. Also if you're considering that it's only 4 inches then you have to consider the fact a 20 long is the same depth as a 10 gallon so they wouldn't have much space to turn around.
a 10 gallon tank is 20.25 inches long and 10.5 inches deep with a height of 12.5ish
a 20 gallon tall tank is 24.25 inches long and 12.5 inches deep with a height of 16.75.

So like I originally said, a 20 gallon tall is only 4 inches long and 2 inches wider/deeper. Not enough space to fit 2 axolotls.

a 20 gallon long is 30.25 inches long and 12.5 inches deep with a height of 12.75. Much better floor space for 2 axolotls compared to a 20 gallon tall which is 8 inches shorter in length but has the same width/depth.



__________________
We have worried about making the planet better for our children but have not worried about making our children better for the planet
10 ACF, 7 Axolotls = Black Magic, Butters, Fluff, Puff, Reese, Spyro, Yoshi
Jenste is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th August 2012   #11
Michael
(mikeg)
Axolotl Enthusiast
 
mikeg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Age: 21
Posts: 365
Gallery Images: 45
Comments: 4
Rep: mikeg has shown reliable knowledgemikeg has shown reliable knowledge
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

get cloud minnows for sure they will eat all parasites that will grow on ur axolotls gills, also feeder goldfish and guppies shoud be fine( any guppy will be fine but u take the risk of them being eaten) do not put the clams in for many reasons they would catch any part of ur axolotl and get him stuck #1 killer for axolotls in stress and this will stress it out, also they may scrap off the slim on the clams shell opening it to diseases, another thing DO NOT PUT SHRIMP IN UR TANK idc what the people above say they shrimp have a shell that ur axolotl can not digest


hope this helps



mikeg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th August 2012   #12
Kaysie
(Kaysie)
Site Contributor
 
Kaysie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 14,467
Gallery Images: 45
Comments: 62
Rep: Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

I have to strongly recommend against fish. Any minnows you put in are likely to nibble on gills, causing stress. Feeder fish are often riddled with parasites, and goldfish are high in saturated fat and Vitamin A.

Clams aren't a good idea as, in addition to previously mentioned issues, there isn't enough in the tank to sustain them and they usually die.

Shrimp are fine. Most people use cherry shrimp or ghost shrimp. Their exoskeleton is just as digestible as cricket exoskeleton.



Kaysie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th August 2012   #13
Caitie
(Minniechild)
Prolific Member
 
Minniechild's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 688
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: Minniechild has given consistently excellent advice and informationMinniechild has given consistently excellent advice and informationMinniechild has given consistently excellent advice and informationMinniechild has given consistently excellent advice and information
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

Having done a small tank (thanks, aussie summer), what you're putting yourself up for is a LOT of work, heaps of monitoring and a lot of risk. That being said, if you design the tank with your axies in mind- heaps of hides, plants, good filtration with low turbidity and separate feeding spots, they can be relatively happy in there.
Of course, there is also the issue of T.A.D (Tank addiction syndrome), where you start with one tank and want a larger one, and a larger one, and a larger one... I use myself as a case-in-point- I started with a 20L (What I could get my hands on) when mine were juvies and I was just starting out (Talk about jumping off the deep end!!), then up to the 200L (4ft), and now I'm picking up a 6x2x2ft on Sunday... I'd recommend that you go as large as you can with your tank- you'll save yourself a lot of money, time, and baking cookies as thank yous for the people who help you with each upgrade

Also, go shrimp! I've found they work really well with axies at each stage of their lives, are low maintenance, and very fun to keep and watch in their own right :P



__________________
They're. NOT. FIIIIIIISSSSH!!!!!
Minniechild is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th December 2012   #14
LaShanta
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 20
Gallery Images: 0
Comments: 0
Rep: LaShanta is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

Just reading the replies has confused me more. The only thing I am sure of is that I won't do clams.



LaShanta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th December 2012   #15
Kaysie
(Kaysie)
Site Contributor
 
Kaysie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Nationality:
Location: [ Members Only ]
Posts: 14,467
Gallery Images: 45
Comments: 62
Rep: Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11Kaysie goes to 11
Default Re: Axolotl tank setup and tank mates

Just say no to tank-mates.



Kaysie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads

Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Axolotl tank mates axolotl86 Axolotl General Discussion 29 24th February 2014 20:41
Axolotl tank mates. dcoop0361 Axolotl tank set-ups, filters, substrate 7 26th December 2011 05:14
Question: Axolotl tank mates??? tomd8820 Axolotl General Discussion 5 11th December 2011 23:40
Axolotl Tank Mates PinkSkullCity Axolotl General Discussion 4 3rd December 2010 04:00


All times are GMT. The time now is 13:30.