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Old 24th November 2007   #1
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Hello, dont remmeber if you remember lo..
well he has completly changed now, and lives on land,

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absolutely stunning.



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was he/she allready a salamander and mis labelld as a axolotl? what is the difference between a axolotl morph and a salamander morph? sorry just curious very gorgeous pet



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was he/she allready a salamander and mis labelld as a axolotl? what is the difference between a axolotl morph and a salamander morph? sorry just curious very gorgeous pet
Axolotls are salamanders, so there isn't a difference between axolotl morphs and salamander morphs. Axolotls are Mexican mole salamander larvae.



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Wow..he's looking really good, and happy!!



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oh thanks for the info very interesting animal the axolotl and salamander is the more i read and learn about them



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thank you so much, stuning isnt he, and its amazing how his apperence has changed to he was a wild type axy, now he is black with white spots, amazing!


and grrr people thinkign im killing it and im cruel etc ect on the other forum doign my nut lol

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Axolotls are salamanders, so there isn't a difference between axolotl morphs and salamander morphs. Axolotls are Mexican mole salamander larvae.
This isn't technically correct. Mole Salamander is a broad term used for all salamanders of the ambystoma genus, including A. mexicanum (the axolotl), A. tigrinum (the tiger salamander), and a few others. While axolotls are still technically salamanders they are neotenic and no longer exhibit metamorphosis like tiger salamanders for example. Their bodies have generally stopped producing the chemical that induces metamorphsis in salamanders and they therefore never metamorphosis unless under extreme circumstances. So yes, there's the huge difference in that most mole salamanders metamorphose as a part of their life cycle but the metamorphosis of an axolotl is extremely stressful and usually shortens the animal's lifespan dramatically... if it even makes it through the process.



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This isn't technically correct. Mole Salamander is a broad term used for all salamanders of the ambystoma genus, including A. mexicanum (the axolotl), A. tigrinum (the tiger salamander), and a few others. While axolotls are still technically salamanders they are neotenic and no longer exhibit metamorphosis like tiger salamanders for example. Their bodies have generally stopped producing the chemical that induces metamorphsis in salamanders and they therefore never metamorphosis unless under extreme circumstances. So yes, there's the huge difference in that most mole salamanders metamorphose as a part of their life cycle but the metamorphosis of an axolotl is extremely stressful and usually shortens the animal's lifespan dramatically... if it even makes it through the process.
There's very little separating a facultatively neotenic population of tiger salamanders and the virtually obligate neoteny in the axolotl. Just an inflexibility in hormone levels in the axolotl. I believe Jake's original statement is correct.



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So yes, there's the huge difference in that most mole salamanders metamorphose as a part of their life cycle but the metamorphosis of an axolotl is extremely stressful and usually shortens the animal's lifespan dramatically... if it even makes it through the process.
I believe your statements are mostly assumptive. I have a naturally occurring metamorphosed adult axolotl of two years and I wouldn't consider the trigger factors, nor the transition extreme. She continued to eat through the whole process with the same gluttonous appetite. It was one of the many reasons that I didn't suspect metamorphosis until it was fully underway. It didn't fully sink in until she blinked. There is also the fact that she has continued to live fully aquatic despite my efforts otherwise. She seems perfectly content being a newt.
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That's a pretty slick morph, and it looks pretty healthy, too. congratulations

Edit: Just remembered http://www.mexico-herps.com/caudata/...stoma-velascoi If you wanted to compare yours to some pics of the mexican tiger salamander



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Thanks for that link...something else for me to learn!!



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Freeky - I am very pleased he's doing well. I was a little worried when you initially contacted me and we made the call that he really was metamorphosing that he wouldn't live very long. I'm pleased that he has flourished. I wanted to ask you two questions:

1) Can I use your photo in this thread on my axolotl site please? I will of course give you credit.

2) What forum are people giving you a hard time on? I am curious. Feel free to post a link (normally this is frowned upon but I'm requesting it please ).

Regarding the great link to Tim Burkhardt's photos of Ambystoma velasci, look at the toes - looks like a missing link between USA tiger toes and axolotl toes.



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Freeky - I am very pleased he's doing well. I was a little worried when you initially contacted me and we made the call that he really was metamorphosing that he wouldn't live very long. I'm pleased that he has flourished. I wanted to ask you two questions:

1) Can I use your photo in this thread on my axolotl site please? I will of course give you credit.

2) What forum are people giving you a hard time on? I am curious. Feel free to post a link (normally this is frowned upon but I'm requesting it please ).

Regarding the great link to Tim Burkhardt's photos of Ambystoma velasci, look at the toes - looks like a missing link between USA tiger toes and axolotl toes.

sorry about a very late reply.
thats fine about using my photo :)
and i can get alot more.
he is an AMAZING hunter SO fast!!!!!!
not friendly though, anythign that moves - is food. hehe
he is getting more and more spotty and loves hiding in a flower pot!
he has now moved in to a bigger 3 foot tank. and Loving it.
and the forum.. i wont say - its a great forum just a few ...... annoying people.
someone i asked and recommended that i spoke to you (freined sof you i think... *hides*. they think i am eveil, i didn it on pupose and i dont care about it..
this is becuase i was thinking of selling it - so it got the best care - its alot different to a llizard etc etc.
infact i asked loads of help from you and a few other people. he has completely metermorphed and
is eating and pooing etc etc fine.
teh sad thign is .. he wont live as long.
and one thing i must say is..
.dont listen to just one person.. (theperson i brought it from)
do your own research. in just 1 - 2 weeks i did this .. and i felt incredibly guilty.


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I think the lifespan of a naturally morphed axolotl is significantly higher than one that is forced to metamorph. If chemicals are used to morph an axolotl, that means they cannot create these chemicals themselves, and will probably die much more quickly than those that morph naturally, and can create their own chemicals.

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That is so neat & scary for me at the same time. My new addition axolotl looks like yours Pokeon hes onyx with yellow small pokedots. Hope he stays an axolotl I don't know the first thing bout those lizards lol. But hey thats pretty neat congrats!



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Please, the purpose of this site is to provide authoritative information. Calling them lizards just brings the whole thing down. They are not lizards/reptiles, they are amphibians, a completely different class of animal. This is talked about on the front of the Axolotl Site, http://www.axolotl.org.



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Apologies John or if have offended anyone. Axie/Salamander technically speaking.



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do they all do that? coz i rele dont want mine to come out of the water? do the albino ones morph like that aswell???



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Its very unusual for this to happen. Freeky's was kept at one point in rather poor water conditions which may have triggered this .



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