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Large Aquatic Salamanders (Hellbenders/Cryptobranchids, Necturus, Siren, etc.) This topic covers Cryptobranchids like the hellbender and Asian giant salamanders, as well as sirens, mud puppies, and amphiumas.

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Old 6 Days Ago   #1
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Can anyone identify what this is? my friend found it in Arkansas. we think it's a baby mudpuppy, and hoping to find out which subspecies. and to rule out the possibility of it being a hellbender!

and advice would be great, thanks!
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Have you got a shot from the side?



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i asked he to take some side shots but i'll show you what i have.
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Seem too light to be mudpuppies. What county in Arkansas?



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Default Re: What's this?

I count five toes on the back left foot, so that rules out mudpuppy and dwarf salamander. It definitely looks like a Eurycea of some sort. Long-tailed (dark-sided), many-ribbed, or Oklahoma salamander seem most likely depending on location, habitat, etc.



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I found a similar looking species in my backyard. It turned out to be a southern two lined/blue ridge two lined salamander (still unsure of which, but definitely one of the two). Perhaps yours is from the plethodontidae family? Just a guess. I added some images below of the larvae I found.
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Default Re: What's this?

just know it was in Cabot, Arkansas. don't seem to have the stripes most mud puppies have, but was hoping maybe some sort of waterdog. he said they it was too tiny to tell for certain, but believes they only have 4 back toes.



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The only Eurycea species with five toes that I can find reliable records for in the greater Little Rock area is the many-ribbed salamander, Eurycea multiplicata. AmphibiaWeb has *one* record for the Oklahoma salamander, Eurycea tynerensis, in the Little Rock area, but it's from 1984 and >80 miles out from the closest other record (and >100 miles from the established range). So, I think you found some many-ribbed salamander larvae!



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