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Plethodontids and Lungless Salamanders (Bolitoglossa, Eurycea, Plethodon, etc.) The largest, and one of the most diverse groups of salamanders, these salamanders have all evolved to breathe solely through their skin and are found almost exclusively in North America.

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Old 27th January 2011   #1
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Default Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

It seems to me that plethodontid keepers are few and far between. I find this slightly ironic considering that Plethodontidae is the largest and most diverse family of salamanders. So why do we see so few captive plethodontids?



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Old 27th January 2011   #2
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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

If It helps I use to keep 3 types of plethodon when I was younger and someday soon plan to start a plethodon dorsalis breeding project.



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Old 27th January 2011   #3
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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

I'm guessing because of

1 )their very hidden lifestyle
2) the fact that they are not as easily bred in captivity as other salamander families



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Old 28th January 2011   #4
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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

Logan: That's cool! I wish you good luck with your Plethodon dorsalis breeding project!

Molch: That's pretty much what I suspected.

I would like to try my hand at breeding some of the more common species. Right now I'm not keeping any Plethodontid species, but this spring I'd like to collect a few. When I was a kid, I used to go out into the woods around my house and collect Plethodon albagula. I'd turn over a long and there would be 2-3 big healthy P. albagula. I'd take them back to my house and keep them for about a week, then let them go. Recently, I kept Eurycea lucifuga for a short period of time, I found out they are great escape artists.



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

I hope you succeed. I find plethodonts fascinating and beautiful. My first glimpse of them was on my first visit to the US when I was 17. I got away from my group in Kentucky and slipped into a creek bottom to turn over rocks, and voila - a long-tailed salamander; might have been P. longicauda or close relative. I remember being completely surprised at how quick and nimble they were - like lizards. Very unlike the European sals I was used to.



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

I hope so too. I read the thread with the paper about mass-rearing plethodontid eggs and I've been working on an idea for adapting a technique for mass-rearing sturgeon eggs that they used at the fish hatchery I worked at. They had these large acrylic cylinders with a pipe in the center. Water was forced down the pipe and up through the bottom of the cylinder so you have this constant current that gently rolled the eggs, keeping them oxygenated and free of fungus. But that's getting into another topic. I'd have to say that Plethodontids are my favorite caudates as well, especially members of the genus Eurycea, Bolitoglossa, and Pseudoeurycea.



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

Presuming you mean a photo of the Aneides,I have posted an image of one of the 2011 young in my album.
Thanks for looking.
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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

I have kept p. ruber schencki, eurycea longicauda, plethodon cylindraceus, plethodon cinereus, plethodon welleri desmognathus carolinensis desmognathus quadramaculatus and desmognathus monticola. so i consider myself a plethodontid keeper (:



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

Diversified collections a bit this year, so I will update:

*Aneides aeneus
Aneides flavipunctatus (niger)
xAneides lugubris
*Bolitoglossa conanti
*Bolitoglossa rufescens
Bolitoglossa salvinii
*Desmognathus aeneus
Desmognathus monticola
Desmognathus ocoee
*Desmognathus welteri
Desmognathus wrighti
Ensatina eschscholtzii
*Eurycea bislineata
*Eurycea longicauda
*Eurycea lucifuga
*Eurycea wilderae
Gyrinophilus p. porphyriticus
Gyrinophilus p. duryi
*Hemidactylium scutatum
*Plethodon glutinosus
Plethodon petraeus
Plethodon shermani
Plethodon yonahlossee
*Pseudotriton montanus diastictus
*Pseudotriton r. ruber
Pseudotriton r. schencki
Urspelerpes brucei



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

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Diversified collections a bit this year, so I will update:

*Aneides aeneus
Aneides flavipunctatus (niger)
xAneides lugubris
*Bolitoglossa conanti
*Bolitoglossa rufescens
Bolitoglossa salvinii
*Desmognathus aeneus
Desmognathus monticola
Desmognathus ocoee
*Desmognathus welteri
Desmognathus wrighti
Ensatina eschscholtzii
*Eurycea bislineata
*Eurycea longicauda
*Eurycea lucifuga
*Eurycea wilderae
Gyrinophilus p. porphyriticus
Gyrinophilus p. duryi
*Hemidactylium scutatum
*Plethodon glutinosus
Plethodon petraeus
Plethodon shermani
Plethodon yonahlossee
*Pseudotriton montanus diastictus
*Pseudotriton r. ruber
Pseudotriton r. schencki
Urspelerpes brucei
Now, the ones with the asterisks are the ones you're sending to my house, right?



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

I presently have several plethodon salamanders and have kept many other species over the years. Besides my Dicamptodon, Sirens, Amphiuma & Necturus (actual waterdogs, N. beyeri)), I am currently taking care of Pseudotriton, Eurycea, Hemidactylum, Batrachoseps and a P. metcalfi. In the past I have had P. larselli, P. glutinosus, P. dunni, as well as Aneides ferreus. They are all fascinating animals.



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

I have in the past kept Plethodon cinereus and Desmognathus fuscus. The later for a very short while. I have kept Hemidactylium scutatum for the last 5 years. Plethodontids are the best!



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

Due for some activity in the plethodontid forum, so I will update with some of the past couple of years' successes. (*= have bred successfully and produced offspring, x=eggs, but no offspring). Some of these are protected species that were collected with required permits and part of a zoo collection.

*Aneides aeneus
Aneides flavipunctatus (niger)
xAneides lugubris
Batrachoseps attenuatus
*Bolitoglossa conanti
*Bolitoglossa rufescens
Bolitoglossa salvinii
*Desmognathus aeneus
Desmognathus folkertsi
Desmognathus monticola
*Desmognathus ocoee
*Desmognathus welteri
Desmognathus wrighti
*Ensatina e. klauberi
*Ensatina e. platensis
*Ensatina e. xanthoptica
*Eurycea bislineata
*Eurycea longicauda
*Eurycea lucifuga
*Eurycea wilderae
Gyrinophilus p. porphyriticus
*Gyrinophilus p. dunni
Gyrinophilus p. duryi
*Hemidactylium scutatum
*Plethodon glutinosus
xPlethodon petraeus
*Plethodon shermani
Plethodon yonahlossee
*Pseudotriton montanus diastictus
*Pseudotriton r. ruber
*Pseudotriton r. schencki
Urspelerpes brucei



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

Tim, you are the man!

Here is my much shorter list, haha..

xAmbystoma maculatum
*Eurycea cirrigera
*Eurycea guttolineata



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Default Re: Where are all the plethodontid keepers?

Im back at the keepers, too. This weekend I was able to record the courtship of Plethodon cylindraceus, for those who are interested: Plethodon cylindraceus lungenlos.de



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Hello !
I'm one of the few french Plethodontid keepers with Plethodon cinereus.



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