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How feeding Echinotriton andersoni.
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EasternNewtLove
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I'm no expert on this species, but compared to pictures I just saw online, these look very skinny. Don't take my word for it though. Like I said, I've never even heard of this species until now. They just look exceptionally thin.
I thought the same thing. I'm assuming you just got them. Fatten them babies up!!
Are those wild caught? They look horrible. This species is very reclusive and although individual personalities may vary a bit all in all they are shy feeders. Provide plenty of cover. Try feeding cut sections of earthworms alternating with small crickets. I would recommend keeping them on damp paper towels with either upturned saucers or cork bark slabs for cover. Do not touch them unless necessary. Not that any salamander enjoys being handled however this species seems particularly stressed by human interaction. May I ask where you obtained them from?
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They do look quite bad....the skinniest one even looks like it could have the shine...very sad.
It´s not my intention to be mean, but at the very least you should have informed yourself properly before acquiring these rare animals. I would forget about breeding them and focuss on trying to get them to survive, which unfortunately is not a likely scenario. Try earthworms and waxworms and see if you can get them to gain some weight. Keep them cool and undisturbed. Use the search function to find threads about WC Tylototriton imports as those are more common but usually suffer similar fates.
It´s not my intention to be mean, but at the very least you should have informed yourself properly before acquiring these rare animals. I would forget about breeding them and focuss on trying to get them to survive, which unfortunately is not a likely scenario. Try earthworms and waxworms and see if you can get them to gain some weight. Keep them cool and undisturbed. Use the search function to find threads about WC Tylototriton imports as those are more common but usually suffer similar fates.
Kaysie
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They look absolutely emaciated, dehydrated, and I agree with Rodrigo: that small one looks like it has The Shine.
Kaysie
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Re: 回复: How feeding Echinotriton andersoni.
Try doing a forum search about this species to pick up care tips. They're not terribly popular because they seem to be pretty touchy.
Try doing a forum search about this species to pick up care tips. They're not terribly popular because they seem to be pretty touchy.
mr cyclone
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Hi pal .How long have you had those? how many days?
If you could give us an idea how you are keeping them and at what temperature i'm sure some experienced kind people on this forum can help advise you.Foster Reeves being one of the more expeienced keepers,as for their health that's a gamble you take buying them blindly.If i was you i would avoid handling them for a while and keep them cool. I would put them in a basic setup just now and avoid disturbing them.The dark Tylo's/echino=whatever'sseem to be very prone to stress .
If you put them in a setup with damp paper towel/tissue and with a couple of cork bark or hide's of some sort.Then offer some lesserwaxmoth larvae or earthworms,leave them to their own devices for a couple of days and allow them to aclimatise.After a couple of days you can check to see if they have eaten or deficated,and check them for other sign's of ill health otherwise leave them alone.
As for breeding them ..."You have to crawl before you can walk!"
Good luck with them above all!!
If you could give us an idea how you are keeping them and at what temperature i'm sure some experienced kind people on this forum can help advise you.Foster Reeves being one of the more expeienced keepers,as for their health that's a gamble you take buying them blindly.If i was you i would avoid handling them for a while and keep them cool. I would put them in a basic setup just now and avoid disturbing them.The dark Tylo's/echino=whatever'sseem to be very prone to stress .
If you put them in a setup with damp paper towel/tissue and with a couple of cork bark or hide's of some sort.Then offer some lesserwaxmoth larvae or earthworms,leave them to their own devices for a couple of days and allow them to aclimatise.After a couple of days you can check to see if they have eaten or deficated,and check them for other sign's of ill health otherwise leave them alone.
As for breeding them ..."You have to crawl before you can walk!"
Good luck with them above all!!
This thread on 'the shine' might be of some help.
If you have the right supplies, you could try placing them a tub filled with an isotonic or just below isotonic solution of electrolytes, with a rock for them to climb onto to get out of the water; I use calcium chloride, magnesium sulphate, sodium chloride and potassium chloride for decreasing the osmotic stress that the very soft tapwater here places on larvae. You could also add some methylene blue to the water to reduce the chance of the smaller one getting a skin infection. The shine probably means that it's having a hard time regulating it's fluids and electrolytes due to increased losses through the skin, and it'll be at increased risk of infection.
If you have the right supplies, you could try placing them a tub filled with an isotonic or just below isotonic solution of electrolytes, with a rock for them to climb onto to get out of the water; I use calcium chloride, magnesium sulphate, sodium chloride and potassium chloride for decreasing the osmotic stress that the very soft tapwater here places on larvae. You could also add some methylene blue to the water to reduce the chance of the smaller one getting a skin infection. The shine probably means that it's having a hard time regulating it's fluids and electrolytes due to increased losses through the skin, and it'll be at increased risk of infection.
mr cyclone
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Re: 回复: How feeding Echinotriton andersoni.
Just a thought ,but i would try with feeding them some soft body food (worms,waxmoth larvae)
crickets tend to bite the animals if uneaten and may stress them further.I've had expensive losses and had to learn the hard way.
Just a thought ,but i would try with feeding them some soft body food (worms,waxmoth larvae)
crickets tend to bite the animals if uneaten and may stress them further.I've had expensive losses and had to learn the hard way.
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Not being funny but I nearly considered buying these from that place the day he put them up for sale, and for £350 I'm glad I didn't! They are in terrible condition and not being funny these specimens look nothing like the photo on the advert for them....
As for the breeding side of it, I am slightly concerned if you are new to keeping Caudata of any kind because you can blatantly see they are in no fit sate to even consider being placed up for breeding. I agree with Rodrigo and Kaysie and in all fairness I am doubtful that you will get them to survive, That's not being nasty but its best you hear the truth about it....
As for the breeding side of it, I am slightly concerned if you are new to keeping Caudata of any kind because you can blatantly see they are in no fit sate to even consider being placed up for breeding. I agree with Rodrigo and Kaysie and in all fairness I am doubtful that you will get them to survive, That's not being nasty but its best you hear the truth about it....
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Re: 回复: How feeding Echinotriton andersoni.
Well try your hardest mate, thats all you can do however personally the condition they are in i doubt they will sadly, but fingers crossed for you! I have dealt and seen animals in this condition and its not turned out well :/
Have you got experience in keeping something as specialised as these?? Just your new on here so I'm guessing your new?
Well try your hardest mate, thats all you can do however personally the condition they are in i doubt they will sadly, but fingers crossed for you! I have dealt and seen animals in this condition and its not turned out well :/
Have you got experience in keeping something as specialised as these?? Just your new on here so I'm guessing your new?
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