Laotriton laoensis egg laying susbtrate

[SteveGeckosEtc]

I need some recommendations on what sort of surfaces others have used with Laotriton laoensis to lay their eggs on. I don't have bright lights over the tanks, so I can't sustain live broadleaf aquarium plants. Silk plants from the craft store? My Laotriton are just starting to show sexual differences, so I want to make sure I am ready when they want to start laying eggs.

 

[Greatwtehunter]

These newts don't seem to be that picky when it comes to what they lay their eggs on. Basically, anything that they can wrap an egg in will work.

 

[michael]

I wouldn't go with craft store plants for an aquarium. Pet supply stores sell silk plants for aquariums that are fish and salamander friendly.

 

[Greatwtehunter]

I wouldn't be so quick to jump on that bandwagon Michael. Just because it doesn't come from a petshop doesn't mean it isn't safe. I have used silk plants and numerous other items from craft stores for over a decade and never an issue. Why pay extra if you don't have?

 

[Molch]

people also make plastic laying strips by cutting strips out of plastic bags and tying them together. I don't know if the Laoensis would go for those, but many other species apparently do...

 

[michael]

I trust your husbandry techniques but choose to err on the side of caution.

I'm afraid of hidden wires, scents, or something that won't be salamander friendly at craft stores. I have some plastic strips from food bags in with my Laotriton. I wouldn't use any plastic bags that are not made for food. I don't like using worms that I didn't raise or keep for some time myself. I prefer to feed my worms food I grew myself but will use vegetable scraps that pass the sniff test, I'm a little leary of frozen bloodworms if they smell funny. How do I know they weren't accidently thawed and refrozen.

I do use polyfill from a fabric store instead of some of the filter medium from pet stores. I started that back in the day when people still used glass wool in filters.

 

[paul_b]

AW: Laotriton laoensis egg laying susbtrate

Hi all,

laoensis are very special for the substrat to lay their eggs.If it is not o.k. they don't lay. The eggs were laid almost exclusively on large leaved plants:
http://www.salamanderseiten.de/para...achhausen/paramesotriton_laoensis-ablage2.JPG

Laotriton laoensis female | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
But also silk plants work fine:
http://www.livingunderworld.org/photos/showphoto.php?photo=182
Paul

 

[Greatwtehunter]

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Someone's laoensis here in the states used elodea to wrap her eggs in.

 

[paul_b]

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Someone's laoensis here in the states used elodea to wrap her eggs in.

@Justin, they where not breed successful in US until now, so - give them the chance to lay their eggs in structures like this

Paul

 

[Greatwtehunter]

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@Justin, they where not breed successful in US until now, so - give them the chance to lay their eggs in structures like this

Paul

I beg to differ. I know someone who bred them a year or 2 ago.

 

[paul_b]

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I beg to differ. I know someone who bred them a year or 2 ago.

Who? Why did we never see photos of this juvenile?
If they are breed successful in US, why must wc adults be imported?

Paul

 

[Greatwtehunter]

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Who? Why did we never see photos of this juvenile

This person doesn't like attention or being hounded for species he breeds.

If they are breed successful in US, why must wc adults be imported?

One person isn't going to make a difference in the demand for this species.

 

[Azhael]

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One person isn't going to make a difference in the demand for this species.

Well...Paul did xD

We need more bloodlines, though, but it was most definitely a laoensis revolution, hehe.

 

[ed_moyer]

They layed on cherry hedge plants!!

 

[SteveGeckosEtc]

Thanks everyone for the responses! I will go to the pet store and craft store and see what options are available for them to lay their eggs on.

I received these in August, and pulled my group out of a larger group I was exporting. I tried to sex them based on what the cloacas looked like at the time and also the length of the tails. I had been told that the long tailed ones were males and the shorter tailed ones were females. I picked the ones with the longest tails and the ones with the shortest tails to get the proper sex ratio. Now that the breeding season is coming closer their cloacas have changed so it is easy to tell the sexes now. Some of the long tailed ones are females and some of the short tailed ones are males. I should have just picked them based on the color patterns that I liked! :happy: It is definitely a very cool species to work with, and I am very hopeful to be successful breeding them this year.

 

[SteveGeckosEtc]

They layed on cherry hedge plants!!

Are you referring to cut branches from a cherry tree (Prunus genus)?

 

[ozarkhellbender]

They layed on cherry hedge plants!!

Are you referring to cut branches from a cherry tree (Prunus genus)?

I believe Ed is talking about one of a few aquatic plants in the genus Alternanthera commonly referred to as "cherry hedge."

 

[Coastal Groovin]

My only objection to silk plants from craft stores is the unknown metal used to stiffen them. The Metal could prove toxic.

 

[froggy]

I haver also had problems with fake Monstera leaves that were allegedly terrarium-safe sold from a general decor shop online. They were used with Agalychnis callidryas and I am almost certain that we had toxicity issues; long term health issues arose and when the leaves were placed in a rain chamber, they leached something that clouded and foamed the water.

So be careful of non-terrarium specific plants!

C

C

 

[paul_b]

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I had been told that the long tailed ones were males and the shorter tailed ones were females.

That's wrong!
The long tailed are females, the shorter tailed are males!
But you also see it very well on the cloaca even not in breedind season!
male:
http://www.salamanderseiten.de/para...ul_bachhausen/paramesotriton_laoensis-m-b.JPG
female:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/salamanderseiten/5410561380/in/set-72157624510506387
Paul