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salamandra salamandra ?
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YellowSloth
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I'm not going to pretend like I have any idea what they are, I just wanted to say your pics are great, their markings are beautiful!
morrisseybond
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True Beauties!
carpy
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hi guys.
i initially thought they were all fastousa, like you john, but then, looking again, i thought the second, not third, was a terrestris, and the first and third were fastuosa. im in a right twist now, there is one definite fastuosa, and 2 possibles.
the pics were taken with my new camera, it was the standard 18-55 lens. it takes some wonderful pictures, i got some nice ones of carnivorous plants at the chealsea flower show! and i have some nice fish and salamander pictures as well.
here is one of the vivarium they are in, with the nepenthes mikeii!
i initially thought they were all fastousa, like you john, but then, looking again, i thought the second, not third, was a terrestris, and the first and third were fastuosa. im in a right twist now, there is one definite fastuosa, and 2 possibles.
the pics were taken with my new camera, it was the standard 18-55 lens. it takes some wonderful pictures, i got some nice ones of carnivorous plants at the chealsea flower show! and i have some nice fish and salamander pictures as well.
here is one of the vivarium they are in, with the nepenthes mikeii!
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carpy
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yea, thats what i think, thanks for the clarification john!
what do you think of the pics by the way?
what do you think of the pics by the way?
carpy
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im glad you like them.
let me know if you need any galaica/fastuosa/terrestris/bernadezi photos on caudata culture!
Alex
carpy
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well, i have an update on them, and i know exactly what they are!
they are salamandra salamandra fastuosa, from the loudes area in the pyrenean alps. they are sadly wild caught, however i hope to breed them. turns out they are quite rare, and now illegal to import, so i was lucky!
Alex
they are salamandra salamandra fastuosa, from the loudes area in the pyrenean alps. they are sadly wild caught, however i hope to breed them. turns out they are quite rare, and now illegal to import, so i was lucky!
Alex
How does this make you lucky? One might argue that you ought to contact the authorities and tell them who you bought them from and any other info you have so that who ever collected them won't be collecting them again.
There are a couple of scum bags in England who get on the ferry to France on a weekend and drive to some locality, even in northern Spain, and pick up a load of salamanders/newts, often to fill an order from a private collector like one of us. They are then back by Monday morning with the illegally collected animals. I would dearly love to knock this on the head.
carpy
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no, i think you misunderstood me there john.
these animals were legal to import until 15 days ago, or it may be a little longer than that. anyway the guy that has them in his shop has had them for well over 1 month now (i know they were reserved for me) so they were not part of the illegal activity.
i say i am lucky becuase i am one of the few in britain who own them. i do not agree with the fact that they are wildcaught. i have teamed up with a zoologist (he has 5 males and a female of this species) and we are working at breeding them and introducing them into the pet trade, before it is too late.
i also agree that there should be an ongoing operation with the authorities concerning the people that feel the need to take endangered species from the wild, and then smuggle them back to the u.k
however, sadly, until there are tighter security measures at the channel tunnel, and the ferries, i do not see this trade decreasing.
these animals were legal to import until 15 days ago, or it may be a little longer than that. anyway the guy that has them in his shop has had them for well over 1 month now (i know they were reserved for me) so they were not part of the illegal activity.
i say i am lucky becuase i am one of the few in britain who own them. i do not agree with the fact that they are wildcaught. i have teamed up with a zoologist (he has 5 males and a female of this species) and we are working at breeding them and introducing them into the pet trade, before it is too late.
i also agree that there should be an ongoing operation with the authorities concerning the people that feel the need to take endangered species from the wild, and then smuggle them back to the u.k
however, sadly, until there are tighter security measures at the channel tunnel, and the ferries, i do not see this trade decreasing.
carpy
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i have been told by a zoologist that they have only recently been banned from import.
i am only telling you information that has been passed on from me by the way, so please dont blame me for these things again, as seems to be happening quite regularly
i am only telling you information that has been passed on from me by the way, so please dont blame me for these things again, as seems to be happening quite regularly
Collection of them has been illegal for several years, perhaps decades - I honestly can't remember the date. Captive bred animals can be trafficked in provided they are not on the CITES list. However by your own admission these were not captive bred. I can only assume your zoologist friend is spinning you a story. Heck, I could call myself a zoologist .
.carpy
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mmm, have seen this bloke, hi IS fully qualified.
he may be spinning me a story, and i am consulting him over that today.
he may be spinning me a story, and i am consulting him over that today.
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