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crof

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I know this is probably a stupid question but I was wanting to keep a whites tree frog. However, my mum would never let me keep live waxworms, crickets etc in the house. Is there any dead food at all that they would eat?
 
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coen

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Live food is always preferred over frozen/dead food.

Not being able to give a frog proper food, I personally wouldn't take one. Just wait untill you can decide for yourself, or maybe educate your mom about the live food, and that it won't eat her house and crawl in her sleeping room if taken care of properly ;)
 
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edward

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I'm not sure I would want to make the blanket statement that live is always better than fresh frozen food items as food items that have been frozen for 2 weeks or more have a significant number of parasites killed via the freezing process.

Ed
 
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coen

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Ed,

I didn't say it was better, I just said it was preferred above dead food.
 
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edward

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Hi Coen,
It may be a language thing. I would have passed it over if the phrasing was preferred instead of "always preferred".

Ed
 
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coen

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Hey Ed,

I guess so, sorry if I made it seem otherwise!

However, if you can provide a frog with the same food he would get in nature (without parasites), wouldn't this be the best way to take care of one? Plus, can a frog be trained to take dead food?
 
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alberto

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Hello Coen
I have seen toads eating dog food from a dog food dish and my red efts and Chinese fire belly newts morphs eating dead crickets and pieces chopped worms that were not moving.
That is one of the things about keeping newts that I love. You are always learning some thing new about them!
 
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edward

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Hi Coen,

Yes frogs can be trained to take dead food. It does depend on species and to a lesser extent individuals. For example American Bullfrogs (Rana catesbeiana)have been trained to take a pelleted food in commercial rearing facilities. Whites Treefrogs can be readily trained to take food off of tweezers (live or dead) and this can be readily achieved for many other anurans.

I would normally prefer feeding live foods as this causes the frog to engage in normal feeding behaviors but at this time (even if you rear it yourself) any live foods that cannot be guaranteed to be 100% parasite free. Many insects can act as vectors for parasites like coccidia and to prevent the infection of a animal would require that everything even small flies/roaches/spiders etc be excluded from not only the insect cultures but the enclosures in which the animals live. This is not a practical solution as it would also eliminate the ability to use natural furnishings such as wood and live plants...

Ed
 
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coen

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That seems a bit unrealistic indeed. If your animal gets a parasite and you did everything like you should, it's more a case of bad luck right? Are the odds of getting a harmful parasite high?
 
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edward

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Hi Coen,

My job is a Zookeeper with a fair amphibian collection. We routinely screen fecals from all of the animals twice a year and it is not uncommon for me to have amphibians come up positive for one or more parasites (mainly nematodes and coccidia) even after several years of clean fecals. This occurs even in animals that are captive bred and have only been fed cultured food item (like fruit flies).
I would say that it isn't uncommon and that the parasites picked up can be very harmful.

Ed
 
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coen

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That must be a nice job Ed!

Should I be worried about my own fruitfly culture? Is there a way of telling they have parasites?
 
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edward

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If you have something fine enough to keep the flies in the culture then they should be okay (unless you are using flies you caught yourself). The problem comes when you put them in the enclosure or use other insects for feeders.

Ed
 
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coen

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Oh thats fine, I close my cultures with paper towels.

There is one problem, in my fruitfly mix (applesauce, oatmeal, yeast and some water) there is a development of mould. I think I might have used to little yeast, could this be the problem?
 
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alex

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wow, i wish i could be a zookeeper, a bit of a dream job really...
 
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    Daww.
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  • Asholotl:
    i try to feed mine via hands. or a turkey baster if its too slippery for me to hold onto. but make sure there is plenty of space for the axolotls to thrash on, or drop it next to their head.
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  • The-Axolotl:
    Yes we feed them with tweezers but only hold onto the food a little to they don't Hurt themselves on the tweezers, they will only eat it if we move it around in front of their head :p
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    There waters is a little bit Hot right now I'm gonna put the cooler on
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    looks like the water is fine till tomorrow. which is nice. im super tired of late. ive been doing large water changes for a week before getting their 'tubs' i just wish i had the old filter ;3;
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    you got a cooler :D Thats so cool! i normally chill their water down if it gets too warm with clean dechlorinated water when they were in their bigger tanks. i'll need to get one that can work with two tanks at some point. or find them for cheap and get two quiet ones. since im in an apartment.
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    Yea most coolers are super expensive though the price range is around $100-$500
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    yeah D:
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    i need one before summer though so i should prob save up
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    or its waterchanges and/or air fans for me.
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    Here its Hot like every day so we have to have the cooler :p
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    But we also have a fan
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    its just wet in oregon and cold most of the time.
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    So good axolotl weather :p
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    yeah, most of the time lol. its always cold in my room now cause of them.
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    Yea my room is freezing because of the axolotls xd
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    The worst thing is my cat always jumps up next to the tank but good thing it has a lid 😁
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    same D: my cat is constantly knocking over my bottles and stuff for my axolotls.
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    One time he almost knocked over a whole bottle of tap water conditioner we just bought
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    haha. sounds like a cat
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    I know right what is it with cats constantly knocking every thing over??
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    And boxes. you can even tape a square on the floor and ive seen them go in it xD
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    Haha 😂
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    im going to head off now, its 12 am now so i got to rest. :D nice talking with ya!
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