Caudata.org: Newts and Salamanders Portal

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Did you know that registered users see fewer ads? Register today!

Dicamptodon aterrimus

zonbonzovi

New member
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
14
Reaction score
2
Location
Quagmire, Mars
So...I am about to come into possession of an long term captive adult, male, terrestrial D. aterrimus. After copious amounts of habitat research, reading through the boards, etc., etc. I think I have its captive needs covered. However, and in my experience w/ various creatures, there are always details that rear their heads later. Anyone out their keeping this species or other Dicamptodon species that have come across any pecularities that weren't apparent in their initial research?
 

454

Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
122
Reaction score
2
Location
Missoula, Montana
Hello, i have two dicamptodon Aterrimus. One larvae and one terrestrial. I feed mine earthworms, and crickets. Make sure you have a huge water bowl in it's tank (assuming it's terrestrial). Mine sits in the waterbowl for at least six hours per day. Also make sure it can burrow. The deeper the soil the better. If it's terrestrial they will require pretty much exactly the same care as tiger salamanders. I would love to see some pictures when you get it too.
 

zonbonzovi

New member
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
14
Reaction score
2
Location
Quagmire, Mars
Hello, i have two dicamptodon Aterrimus. One larvae and one terrestrial. I feed mine earthworms, and crickets. Make sure you have a huge water bowl in it's tank (assuming it's terrestrial). Mine sits in the waterbowl for at least six hours per day. Also make sure it can burrow. The deeper the soil the better. If it's terrestrial they will require pretty much exactly the same care as tiger salamanders. I would love to see some pictures when you get it too.

Thank you! I had the impression that there weren't too many captives around. I keep a alot of burrowing inverts and from what I've read about habitat, they're very similar. The person I'm getting it from seems to have had it for quite awhile, so I'm hoping to get some history, as these were only recently separated taxonomically(?) The owner has an established tank w/ large water feature that comes w/ the salamander. I suppose the biggest question I might have is regarding temperature: I assume that because they spend the majority of their time burrowed, Dicampotodon's should be kept cooler, as in high 50s - low 60s? What is your experience?

Also: seller says this is a male. Do you know the sex of your sallies? I would certainly be interested in a future pairing if a match could be made. I will post pix when possible of the beast and its new home soon. Cheers...
 
  • Like
Reactions: 454

454

Member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
122
Reaction score
2
Location
Missoula, Montana
Hey, my terrestrial tank stays at about 65 degrees, and I keep my aquatic aquarium at 60 degrees. My larvae (that I should be calling a neotonic adult) is a female, but i'm not sure about my terrestrial. If you ever go fishing and see fish eggs they absolutely love them.
 

zonbonzovi

New member
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
14
Reaction score
2
Location
Quagmire, Mars
Attached are a couple of pics 'o Bubba. Bubba came from an owner that has had him(haven't confirmed sex yet) for a bit less than 2 years. Due to hard times, they were forced to find a new home & Bubba couldn't come along. The previous owner had him for about 5 years, which makes me think he was collected while still waterbound. He's obviously been very well fed(pix to come) & should be watching his cholesterol, maybe playing some golf. All 11" of him screams senior citizen. And not to anthropomorphize, but: he does not hesitate to eat from my hand & appears to appreciate a gentle head stroke now & again.

I wonder about the costal grooves, though. On D. aterrimus they shouldn't be so pronounced- maybe it's cause he's big boned:D. I'll try to post a better pic of his foot as the "3rd" toe's joint composition is supposed to be a determining factor. Enjoy!
 

Attachments

  • bubba1.jpg
    bubba1.jpg
    307.5 KB · Views: 2,063
  • bubba2.jpg
    bubba2.jpg
    361.2 KB · Views: 5,134

ferret_corner

New member
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
526
Reaction score
29
Location
AZ
I'm sorry - i have to agree with slowfoot - looks like tigrinum to me too. The head shape seems to be all wrong for the dicampt. Coloring and pattern too.

A really fat tiger. lol
 

Jennewt

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
May 27, 2005
Messages
12,431
Reaction score
100
Location
USA
I agree: tiger sal (A. mavortium or tigrinum). This would certainly explain the costal grooves. Bubba is quite a beauty!
 

zonbonzovi

New member
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
14
Reaction score
2
Location
Quagmire, Mars
Thanks, everybody. Either way- Bubba's set to do some cardio & get off sweets.

Out 'o curiosity- what are some good determining taxonomic features of A. mavortium, A. tigrinum & D. atterimus that don't require a microscope? OR, can anyone point me in the right direction to a proper key, etc.? Any ideas on a locality, based solely on color/pattern?
 

John

Founder
Staff member
Joined
Feb 6, 2001
Messages
8,123
Reaction score
294
Location
USA
It's a 100% a tiger. No Dicamptodon here I'm afraid. As to what race, I would say most likely Ambystoma mavortium diaboli.
 

zonbonzovi

New member
Joined
Nov 10, 2008
Messages
14
Reaction score
2
Location
Quagmire, Mars
Thanks, John. You & Ferret Corner had the same answer. The coloration/markings are spot on from available online pix. I thought it little strange that someone would be so quick to "rehome" any Dicamptodon. Cheers!
 

Newtility

New member
Joined
Jun 11, 2007
Messages
20
Reaction score
6
I bet it´s an Ambystoma mavortium melanostictum from either WA or Idaho. Body groung color and markings are prominent for that subspecies though some diaboli may look similar at first glance. But Bubba surely doesn´t care for names! ;-) You are right to put him on a diet but please no cardio. They are not very active except during breeding season.
 

FrogEyes

Active member
Joined
Sep 5, 2010
Messages
908
Reaction score
38
Location
Southern Minnesota
That's definitely Ambystoma mavortium melanostictum. Dicamptodon have the eyes more on the side of the face and directed forward more. D.atterimus [and all Dicamptodon] have distinctive coloration.
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • Shane_Yogurt:
    yeah, im heading over tomorrow morning to move him to this house and feed him. Thanks for the help!
    +1
    Unlike
  • Shane_Yogurt:
    So my axolotl tank cycle just crashed and while i was in the middle of a water change my bucket overflowed and spilled water all of the ground in my brand new home. This is going super well 👍
    +2
    Unlike
  • the:
    ooff
    +1
    Unlike
  • the:
    good luck recycling the tank!
    +1
    Unlike
  • Roach:
    do the classifieds still exist?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Roach:
    nevermind! off my game tonight
    +1
    Unlike
  • Shane_Yogurt:
    Im so frustrated right now. My axolotl WONT eat and my tank still isnt looking too good. Some extra stress i needed.
    +1
    Unlike
  • John:
    Sorry to hear that Shane. Did you post about it?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Shane_Yogurt:
    No, I havent. Im not really sure why he wont eat. Hes in a 1 gallon tub and still a juvenile. When i offer food he swims away from it. Does he need some extra time? or is this something I should be worried about.
    +1
    Unlike
  • JulMl:
    Hello everyone! I’m new in this world and i need some advices please! I have 2 axolotl babies and currently the water from the tank is from bottled water ( all parameters are good) but i want to change 50% of the water with city tap water. My question is how to change it? Do i need to get axis out, do the change, add the prime, wait (how much?) until its dechlorinated or i can add the tap water directly into the tank with axis in it, and add the prime conditioner? Thank you!!
    +1
    Unlike
  • Asmold1:
    1. You dont need to take them out of the tank to change the water as long as you pour it in slow as to not rattle them around too much
    +1
    Unlike
  • Asmold1:
    2. add the prime to your tap water, for most conditioners the consensus is 5 minutes of waiting time
    +1
    Unlike
  • Asmold1:
    3.After 5 minutes it should be safe to add
    +1
    Unlike
  • JulMl:
    Thank you so much !!
    +1
    Unlike
  • Asmold1:
    I private messaged you a bit clearer instructions just in case
    +2
    Unlike
  • tammyaxie:
    Where can I get blackworms?
    +1
    Unlike
  • John:
    Ebay or Eastern Aquatics
    +1
    Unlike
  • noahc808:
    Does anyone know someone who can ship axolotls to hawaii? I recently did a water change and my axolotl died and there are no axos for sale right now.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    GadgetInspector has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    GadgetInspector has joined the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    Captive Bread has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    Captive Bread has joined the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    Captive Bread has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Sylvia88:
    Hello I'm wondering if fridging axolotl is necessary when giving it a salt bath? My fridge is unpredictable it just changes from freezing temperature to melting by itself. And driving me crazy. So I would not be keen to put my axie in these because of the sudden temperature changes it may experience. Can I leave him in a clean dechlorinated water tub in some of the room? Would I then need to refrigerate the salt water ? Or would I just keep it in a same room temperature?! I have everything ready for him to get a salt bath but just wanted to check about this fridging before I do ( waited for approval to join the forum:)
    +1
    Unlike
  • Sylvia88:
    FYI I noticed a white fluffy strings on his gills yesterday. And looking through the forum and some pictures it looks like fungus .
    +1
    Unlike
    Sylvia88: FYI I noticed a white fluffy strings on his gills yesterday. And looking through the forum and... +1
    Top