Caudata.org: Newts and Salamanders Portal

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Did you know that registered users see fewer ads? Register today!

E. tricolor garding eggs

U

uwe

Guest
Hi dart frog fans,

E.tricolor (man) guarding his eggs.
27765.jpg
 
A

alan

Guest
Very nice. Are you going to pull the eggs or let the parent(s) drop off the tads?
 
U

uwe

Guest
Hi Alan,

in this case (the eggs were pretty much hidden by the second leaf) I waited for app. 5 days before retrieving and "raising" the eggs.
If they lay more open I try to remove them after a day or so.
Sometimes, when I don´t see the eggs, the frogs care for them.

Uwe
 
A

alan

Guest
It's good the D.tricolor is one of the few species which seems to have retained the parental care behavior after many captive bred generations.
 
U

uwe

Guest
Has it been lost by other species?

BTW it is quite discussed which family tricolor belongs. The newest is Ep. after Ph. and D.
(The frog doesn´t seem to care).

Uwe
 
A

alan

Guest
Oops, typo, should have been E.tricolor.
Yes, sadly many other species seem far more reluctant to give parental care these days.
 
U

uwe

Guest
is this considered due to the removal of the eggs by keepers or is there any other reasoning.

Uwe
 
E

edward

Guest
Hi Uwe,
I had started this discussion on frognet a while back.
If you think about it, there is little to no selective pressure on darts (excepting obligate egg feeders) to rear their own eggs to the tadpole stage as we pull and artificially rear the eggs. Instead we have artificailly placed a selective pressure for frogs that produce more eggs more frequently and do not rear the eggs. (there is a mathmatical model explained in E.O. Wilson's Sociobiology that covers this pretty well).
As very few people allow natural rearing, there are few reports one way or another but I am aware of several that have frogs that do not rear the eggs (usually in the tinctorius group). I have even seen comments about more than one clutche being laid one on top of the other by the same pair....

Ed
 
U

uwe

Guest
Hi Ede,

I am new to the area of Dart frogs, but what I saw with the E.tricolor is that they behave normal. Means carrying on there eggs/tadpoles when I don´t find the eggs and the male is not looking for further breeding as long as the former eggs are in the terrarium and he has to care for them.
Actually, as tricolor is pretty commonly bred, some breeder let the frogs care for their eggs and lower the amount of work on the keeper.

Uwe
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • PvH:
    Hi
    +1
    Unlike
  • PvH:
    I've advertised my CB alpine newts for sale UK but no offers so far. I'm looking for a carer/enthusiast so I put a price to deter people who might not be serious about the responsibilities of the undertaking but how do I find a genuine enthusiast who will take over care? I'm not looking for money, just a good home for the newts.
    +2
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Hey guys, its way too hot where I live right now. Temperatures 40 degree celcius outside, making it like 30 degrees inside. Ive got ice packs on my yellow spotted salamanders hidey rock, he acts like he hates it though. Am I keeping him too cold? I think my temp gauge might be messed up, or at least in the wrong spot. I put the tank temp gauge in the top left corner of his large tank, where it says its 80 degrees fahrenheit, which I am aware is too hot, which is what makes me put the ice packs on his rock at the bottom of the cage, but the bottom of his cage feels a lot cooler tha 80 degrees. Should I move my temp gauge down to the bottom corner where he hangs out the most? Should I get a soil temperature probe so I can tell what temperature the soil that hes laying on is?
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Because his soil is certainly not 80 degrees fahrenheit, and I dont want to freeze the poor bugger with ice packs if he really doesnt need them. Hes been doing fine, but Im just so stressed because I cant get ANy information on how to handle this little guy. Theyre illegal to keep without a permit, but this one would not have survived without my intervention. So I cant call and ask anyone for help. If theres a betetr site than this one, I sure havent found it. But I never get any replies here. We are all just asking questions and getting none answered basically. Its really frustrating as I just want to help this little dude be happy and healthy. All I can get him to eat is potato bugs as well. I cant find anything else that he will eat. Is that even okay? :/ hes been eating strictly those since may first.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Does ANYONE know of a site more active than this where I can get my questions answered? My little bud needs help and Im just not getting it here.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Alright well I bought a bunch of stuff for his tank and hope it helps. Im getting extremelty frustrated that bI cant get an answer. Guess buddies just gonna have to die or some shit. like wtf why cant I get any help.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Captive Bread:
    I'm afraid this is the largest and most active community for this kind of information, probably on the entire internet. That said, we are still small overall. We can't help you all of the time. We do offer you support and have answered your questions in the past so I feel it's very impolite to lose patience with us.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Captive Bread:
    Second of all, was you who said you wild caught your salamander? And had Authorities threaten to retrieve it from you?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Captive Bread:
    Third of all, assuming thats the case, no one seems to want to face the reality that these animals come from climates and microenvironments where they need to be kept cool. If you can't hack, then release it where you pulled it from.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    he was dying outside. SO SORRY i was nice enough to save him. can i even release him in wetaher thats 40 degree celcius? will he not just die outside because he cant dig through the hard ground?
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    The ONLY reason I spent 500 dollars on this thing was to keep him alive. thats IT. He was completely dry with cracked skin and couldnt walk and I nursed him back to health. Now I should just throw him outside on the hard baked ground where I found him? in my driveway? Really dude?
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    I am losing patienc ebecause I care. Because I cant get any answers in any length of time that will actually benefit him. He'll only eat potato bugs, I just want him to have good rest of his life. Thats IT. So dont act like I went out an dillegally trapped some poor salamander out of the wild for fun cuz I wanted one.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    I am very sure he was just trying to pass by, because he certainly cant dig ANYWHERE in the soil ANYWHERE near where I live. So I cannot just release him in 40 degree celcius on the super hard baked ground where theres no shelter and no food and now ater to be seen for miles. I dont see how that wioll help him at all.
    +1
    Unlike
  • John:
    @FragileCorpse, Watch your language please.
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    What did I say sorry? What word?
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Sorry youre going to have to explain to me john becaue Ive reread what I wrote here and Im not seeing it,
    +1
    Unlike
  • FragileCorpse:
    Ill certainly apologize for using it, but to not use it I need to know what it is is all.
    +1
    Unlike
  • ShawnJPN:
    Hello all
    +1
    Unlike
  • ShawnJPN:
    What's the night shift looking like
    +1
    Unlike
  • Captive Bread:
    Lots of contemplating life for me. What about you?
    +1
    Unlike
  • ShawnJPN:
    Same thoughts reduced to bytes on a website
    +1
    Unlike
    ShawnJPN: Same thoughts reduced to bytes on a website +1
    Top