Mixing Species

Elliriyanna

Elliriyanna

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I know this is frowned upon but I have been reading including http://www.caudata.org/forum/f1173-...triton/63291-mix-c-orientalis-c-cyanurus.html

And other than the potential crossbreeding it does not seem that there are many concerns about housing these species together ... I am no breeder so worrying about offspring will not be an issue as it just wont happen ... or at least no actual offspring will result.

So other than the above issue it seems these two can be safely housed together. Am I correct in this assumption?
 
There's always a chance that a pathogen that one species is carrying without any ill effects could be fatal to the other and also their optimal temperature ranges are slightly different. They might be fine, but they might not. Why risk it!
 
Since your new Hypselotriton orientalis are WC, i assume, you have no way of knowing what things they might have been exposed to during the importation process. It´s not just pathogens, it´s parasites too.
Also, H.orientalis is typically somewhat smaller and therefore has a competitive disadvantage.
The whole point, though, is that there is nothing to be gained from mixing them, it won´t benefit the animals in any way, but it does carry certain risks. Why take those risks for no gain?
If you like both species, do what´s best for them and avoid unnecessary risks.
 
true ... and although this frowned upon ... 5 years with 2 Pleurodeles walt took a lead yse pyrroghaster Cynops great ... the Pleurodeles bred 2 times ...
 
My cynops orientalis are actually captive bred :)

I was just curious honestly. I never stated I would do it ... Just that as I am not a breeder why would it be as much of a concern.
 
At the end of the day it would be risking the health of all the animals involved just to see them in the same tank together. What's the point? How many people would run that risk if the newts cost $400 instead of $4? not many i'm guessing.
 
Read the comment above yours Chinadog ...

It was a question of curiosity ... The only real concerns in the other thread that i saw at least were crossbreeding so it made me a bit curious.
 
Ok I have a spare 10 but no room for it * sigh* I reserved these newts months ago not knowing I would have an ADF tank as well.

Could I put in a solid divider temporarily in my 10 gallon? Just silicone it in and remove it when I get the other set up? Dad and I have been dividing and removing dividers off and on for years.
 
Elliriyanna said:
Read the comment above yours Chinadog ...

It was a question of curiosity ... The only real concerns in the other thread that i saw at least were crossbreeding so it made me a bit curious.
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I wasn't trying to be mean or a smart ***, but imagine if it cost a weeks salary to buy the newts, Suddenly the slight risks would seem a bit more of a concern wouldn't they?
Or look at it this way, a few years ago i bought a year old captive bred leopard tortoise to join the 12 yr old pair i had owned since they were hatchlings. i kept the new one on it's own for 6 months and everything seemed fine so i started letting all 3 graze together outside. Within weeks both my old tortoises were very sick with a terrible eye and nose disease, they only survived because my vet is extremely good with reptiles. They were all the same subspecies and from known captive bread stock.
put your self in the position i was in, I nearly killed my pets that i've had an awful long time and i did nearly everything right! The risk was very slight but the odds were against me, A glass partition will stop crossbreeding but won't stop cross contamination so the risk is still there, even if it's minimal.
 
How wont it stop cross contamination? No water will be getting from one side to the other :) It will be like two seperate tanks that happen to share a wall :)
 
If they never share any water at all then no, contamination won't be a problem but it will be hard not to splash water between the 2 halves when working on the tanks, water changes, lifting plants in or out etc.
 
How big is a 10 gallon tank? Also how many of each animal are you aiming to house in each section. Would each section be escape proof too?
I personally feel that even if the water is not shared there is still a high risk of any nasties being spread between each other. How about using a good sized tub for the new additions until you can organise a space for another tank.. or even cancelling the newt delivery for until you are properly prepared?
 
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]20 x 11 x 13 or 37 litres are the dimensions for a 10 gallon. or [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Verdana, sans-serif]24 x 9 x 13 if its the long type
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Boyfriend says no more tanks but MAYBE I could put a tub under my nightstand so he could not see it.

Its 200 sq inches floor space and a total of 6 juvenile animals.


Actually ... I do have a spare 10 ... I will just tell him I am storing it down there :p
 
I HATE moving tanks once they are inhabited. I may put some particle board on the top of the nightstand so there is no overhang and put my two current tanks up there.
 
There maybe a chance one of the newts won't go to water because a unknown dominant newt us in it
 
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