My croc newts( T.h, E.a, T.s and T.v)

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turbo

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T.H
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E.A
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T.S(hypo)
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T.V
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T.T ( it used to be mine)
 
Wow...you keep animals like these in the UK and i don't know you!......how did that happen!!

Thanks for sharing!
 
NO...i live in Hong Kong but i am a student in Uk
all these newts were bought in Hong Kong~
 
These appear to be newly-imported animals, some in poor condition. E. andersoni is strictly protected and illegal to export from Japan. I find this display shameful and revolting!
 
Well...Jennifer
my E.A is CB , so i don 't think keeping it is shameful and revolting

by the way.. lots of people in this forum keep WC E.A anyway
 
Maybe someone told you that the E.a. are CB, but I do not believe it. Did the person show you any juveniles, or describe to you the conditions used to breed them? I doubt it.

Genuine CB animals are rarely sold as adults (normally CB are juveniles), and E.a. has very rarely been bred. The upper of the two animals looks to be in poor condition, would also not be the case if it were CB.

I haven't seen a lot of people who keep WC E.a. There are a few, but most of them have been imported years ago.
 
Because of the rules with w.c. animals w.c. are often sold as c.b. I think most species of Tylototriton and Echinotriton are being bred to some degree in the hobby. They are rare but slowly becoming available to hobbyists. When offered c.b. it's usually a give away if they are adults. I'd be afraid to give judgement on these animals either way without more details.
I rarely sell adult salamanders but have sold hundreds of adult c.b. dart frogs. I've often heard people whisper "They can't be c.b. look how big they are." Babies do grow up.
I do have my questions about a 66 year old man from Hong Kong going to school in London having these animals and having only 10 posts on the forum.
 
er...i hink this is a dump question but i didnt get the last part?
 
oo one more thing, wowowowo i finally found anoyther chinese guys that like amphbians in this forum.

btw where u from in HK? how did u manage to get'em i can never seem to find ones as colourful as those, even in Mong Kock~!!

but o well im in england one so just wondering
 
I would agree with Jen that these look like w.c. specimens just shipped.

Very skinny and what look like a few sores as well.

But has anyone ever seen such an unusual looking shanjing?

GE
 
they look like w.c. imports to me. that shanjing has indeed a unique colour,but does not look too healthy with the sores on his head.
 
firstly, i am just a animal keeper, i really don't care what are the others thinking about me.

the only reason for me to post my animals in here is just to share them with the others, but it seem a lot of people don't want me in here. that's fine.i am not going to do it ANYMORE

and one last thing, i really a chinese student that is studying in UK
 
also..my E.A are not adults
and they are real CB~if you don't believe it, i have got nothing to say, i don't need to lie to you. and all the other croc newts are wc( T.V are CB also)
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i am a 19 years old oversea chinese student that study in UK seen 2003, i am in Hk now, when the summer holiday finish i will go back and study in UK ~
 
I've spoken with this guy through mail. His animals are in China and not in the UK. I know for a fact that these animals are sold in shops over there, w/c and c/b. Echinotritons are only rarely bred in the west as there are very few of them over here. This isn't the case in China though.
I think people are being a little rude with Turbo personally. Illegal or not these animals are sold all over the world including Britain, America and most of Europe. Right now you can buy E.A from a herp dealer in Germany....it was obvious from the very small size of Turbos Echinotritons that there was a good chance they were captive bred.
All chinese newts/sals are protected and shouldn't be sold at all....that even goes for Paramesotritons, Cynops etc...but no one blinks an eye or gives this reaction when people post their pics of these commonly seen species. I know other keepers in China and a lot of them do keep these rare crocodile newts....whats rare and unusual in our part of the world isn't necessarily rare and unusual in China.
Personally, i'm happier seeing animals like these being kept by people with an obvious interest in them than seeing them in Chinese medicine.

I would also think that on the whole Tylototritons and Echinotritons sold in China are in a lot better condition than those that reach our shores. Western people are responsible for a lot of deaths in these animals by creating a demand for them in the first place....we all know the high mortality these animals suffer from being imported
I have a group of w/c T.Kweichowensis that i've bred this year...i buy w/c animals occasionally with the aim of establishing breeding colonies and breeding c/b animals from them...how can you people say that Turbo isn't doing the same?
And as for the confusion over his profile....remember that this man is Chinese and English is probably not his first language.

Turbo, Personally i hope you continue to use this forum as i for one am interested in your animals.
 
i am very interested in your animals too.
that shanjing is truly a unique animal,never seen one like that before.
 
Andy:

You are right. I certainly am glad to see pictures of newts like these as well. And it is also true that most of us own or have owned wild caught newts.

We all want to see CB, and this forum shares much information to those of us who would like to breed tylo.

I think the concern was the general health of the creatures and the relative rarity of the animals posted.

However....

How many of us would NOT buy these creatures if they turned up in a shop,and seemed destined for certain death?

It's a tough question for all of us who are regulars here.

So Turbo, good luck with those newts. I hope they get well and prosper.

GE
 
I'd also like to add that the beautiful Shanjing in the picture could have just developed those sores after being in captivity for a while...seeing ill Tylototritons isn't always a sign of a recent import, but even if it is it's nothing new to us keepers. I received some of my T.Kweichowensis with sores and luckily i managed to get rid of them but i now have a c/b Shanjing that has become ill for no reason i can make out...a fact of keeping animals is that occasionally you get losses and occasionally you get illness for no apparent reason.
 
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