My new italicus

Tudor

New member
Joined
Sep 17, 2010
Messages
57
Reaction score
4
Points
0
Location
Constanta, Romania
Country
Romania
They are beautiful indeed, but allow me a question:
Are wild caught or captive bred? I ask you because it looks to be wild caught and in this case I must remind you that is illegal to collect native species in EU.
If I'm wrong, please excuse me.
Best regards
 

enricolatiano

New member
Joined
Dec 5, 2009
Messages
113
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Italy
they aren't wc ,they come from Austria. tudor however how do you tell if an animal and WC or CB?
 

RobM

New member
Joined
Jan 14, 2010
Messages
477
Reaction score
12
Points
0
Location
London / Kent
Country
United Kingdom
Display Name
Rob M.
Tudor didn't accuse you of taking them from the wild, he just asked the question.
The size and colouration difference between the two specimens combined with your past might make people suspect that they are wild caught.
I wouldn't think there are sure ways with this species to tell the difference between WC and CB, however I expect if the authorities asked, you would have to provide proof of where you got them from, otherwise they will assume they are native WC.
 

enricolatiano

New member
Joined
Dec 5, 2009
Messages
113
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Italy
they are one male and one female.
the male is more small because in the italicus the female are more big of the male.
or i failed?
 

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
90
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
You have stated in other posts that the L.italicus you keep were collected from the wild. I can remember posts that go back almost a year, and it seems you continously capture new specimens to maintain your group.
There is in fact one post of yours with the title "Lissotriton italicus wc" where you admit that you caught wild animals from a nearby brook. Your own words...
In other posts you have also stated your disregard for european laws, asking for WC animals of protected species which is illegal and goes directly against the spirit of this forum.
I personally have had it with you....if the admins or other mods think i´m out of line i will accept their judgement but personally i have no doubt that you illegally collect local newts which apart from being illegal, as has already been said to exhaustion, is inmoral. Your continous disregard for the conservation status of these animals and your now blatant lies offend me to a personal level, so i´m now off to give you some bad reputation.
 

enricolatiano

New member
Joined
Dec 5, 2009
Messages
113
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Italy
azhael is everything true except a thing.the italicuses that I have are cb now they are coming from the austria the lissotritons of the other time, I have immediately been released after having withdrawn them and after having gone off those photos. then I don't think about having to have broken the law.or mistake?
 

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
90
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
I can´t proof that you are lying, it´s your word against mine, so it´s up to your conscience wether those animals are legal or not and wether you are lying to us. However, you have broken the law. You have taken animals from the wild and you say you have then released them back. Both actions are illegal. You say they were inmediately released back, but you also say the females laid eggs in captivity...both statements are hardly coherent. I wonder what happened to the eggs that those WC females laid, too....

I seriously do hope (i don´t believe they are, but i hope against evidence) those animals are CB. And if that´s the case, i hope you have the necessary papers to prove it, because otherwise, CB or not, they are illegal.
 

enricolatiano

New member
Joined
Dec 5, 2009
Messages
113
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Italy
azhael I swear you that they are cb.the females I have now the eggs, I still have her me as soon as are they opened I free the larvas (or do you recommend me to directly leave the eggs?).however I am cb to 100%.
 

enricolatiano

New member
Joined
Dec 5, 2009
Messages
113
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Country
Italy
azhael I swear that I cb.le females released their eggs will hatch as soon as I've still free larvae (directly or advise me to leave the eggs?). still have 100% cb.
 

warrior

Member
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
100
Reaction score
2
Points
18
Location
east TN
Country
United States
Display Name
Eddie
Wow azhael being a moderator is going to your head.You have no right to accuse this person of taking from the wild and if he is and it's illegal he will get caught.You think you own this forum.Everytime I read a post of yours and another moderator here it's sometimes mean and aggresive.We are dealing with newts here which are gentle creatures,you should try to be gentle too.
 

Azhael

Site Contributor
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
6,645
Reaction score
90
Points
0
Location
Burgos
Country
Spain
Display Name
Rodrigo
Oh, come on, be fair, there must be at least one post out there where i haven´t been mean!
Just to clarify, i´m not accusing, i´m paraphrasing, he has admited to illegally capturing wild animals.
Anyway, i´m sorry you think in such a way of me, but i´m just trying to enforce european laws, which exist for a very good reason.
Happy new year!
 

eljorgo

Banned
Joined
Aug 9, 2008
Messages
799
Reaction score
19
Points
0
Location
ovos moles
Country
Madeira
We are dealing with newts here which are gentle creatures,you should try to be gentle too.
Google Paramesotriton and find out who is "gentle" These boys gave me a big life lesson.
You shall not be so gentle and warm to people all the times. Not in the world we live on today.

Enrico, putting all rest apart, yes. They are beautiful.

Cheers,
Jorge
 

stavroske

New member
Joined
May 7, 2007
Messages
132
Reaction score
6
Points
0
Location
Antwerpen, Belgie
Country
Belgium
Display Name
Steven De Craene
Very nice sals! From who did you buy them? I've been looking for this specie for two years now without much luck... Next month I probably recieve some eggs from the UK but some full grown L. italicus would be great!

Best wishes,

Steven
 
General chit-chat
Help Users
  • No one is chatting at the moment.
  • Murk:
    That´s the most accurate. Depends on the size of the tub etc. - you just want to make sure the water is always clean
    +1
    Unlike
  • Kwags:
    When little axolotls are tubbed is it common for them to get a little more spunky then usual? Water temps around 64-65 F and has been changed today with prime added
    +1
    Unlike
  • Murk:
    Uh. That depends on your definition of "spunky"?
    +1
    Unlike
  • HalfDrunkToast:
    @Kwags, how big?
    +1
    Unlike
  • HalfDrunkToast:
    my baby hes tubed and hes a wild child xD
    +1
    Unlike
  • Kwags:
    Swimming like crazy. A little more pep in his step. I think about 3 inches.
    +1
    Unlike
  • faebugz:
    Hi does anyone know if jungle fungus clear is safe to use for my axolotl? She has some either fungus or bacterial growth on her fillibrae and maybe body and I read that's good to use if you aren't sure if the problem is bacterial or fungal
    +1
    Unlike
  • EasternRomioi3:
    I have not heard of that before.
    +1
    Unlike
  • EasternRomioi3:
    That jungle fungus clear. I've been dealing with some fungus with my axolotl on and off this summer. The Holtsfreter solution and water changes just seem to do the trick after a bit
    +1
    Unlike
  • faebugz:
    Where do you get the holtsfreter solution? I've been upping water changes but salt bath seems to be more stressful/harmful than beneficial because she does not like to be caught!
    +1
    Unlike
  • Slash-GNR:
    Anyone know how to harden soft water without raising pH?
    +1
    Unlike
  • faebugz:
    To raise GH, add calcium carbonate (or tums). What has you doing this?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Slash-GNR:
    Thank you! My tap water is naturally low in GH and KH, and I need to raise it... but I don't want to raise the pH, which is perfect, with coral.
    +1
    Unlike
  • EaglesFan78:
    anyone have firebelly newts forsale message me !!!!!
    +1
    Unlike
  • ShawnJPN:
    Lol
    +1
    Unlike
  • Unlike
  • Isoldelopez:
    Hey all I’m looking for some help.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Isoldelopez:
    How do I create a thread?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Binditheaxolotl:
    LYes? It might be easier if u posted a thread
    +1
    Unlike
  • Isoldelopez:
    Yes, how can I do this? Is it by creating a room? Thank you for your help
    +1
    Unlike
  • Mark.H:
    Hey guys, I suppose this is a foolish question, but will my long-toed salamanders over-eat resulting in obesity?
    +1
    Unlike
  • Kwags:
    what are thoughts on using crushed coral or tufa rocks for resining the ph level in my tank? I have the seachem ph alert and it’s reading 5.4
    +1
    Unlike
  • Chat Bot:
    meowzilla has left the room.
    +1
    Unlike
  • Delaney:
    Hi, I really need some advice about cloudy water in my axlotl tank!
    +2
    Unlike
  • AnimeDan:
    Hi Delaney. Can you be more specific? There are lots of reasons for cloudy water, such as substrate getting kicked up, water hardness, etc. if you don’t have hard water and it doesn’t settle then I’d do a water change and see if that helps.
    +1
    Unlike
    AnimeDan: Hi Delaney. Can you be more specific? There are lots of reasons for cloudy water, such as... +1
    Top