Occidozyga Lima Breeding (Or any knowlege on frog breeding!)

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I have Occidozyga Lima, or floating frogs, indonesian spotted frogs, asian floating frogs, etc. Lots of names for these fat suckers.

Anyway, I have four. Nobody's got any breeding info on these guys. I sexed them myself based on my knowledge of amphibians, the three males being half the size of the rather fat female, and having more "muscular" front arms. Their mating call sounds like rubbing wet plastic bags, or a wet balloon. Or rubber. It's just plain weird. I only just realized recently that the weird sound was not some filter malfunction, but an animal call. It doesn't sound natural.

I've caught these guys in amplexus twice. In the water, not on their floatation devices. The first I was after a 5 hour car trip where they were in a bucket for over 24 hours. I accidentally interrupted their amplexus while moving them into their re-setup tank. As they are assumed to breed in the spring with spring winds, I think it was the combination of a much cooler temperature and some sloshing of the bucket that triggered their instincts. This theory was "proven" a second time. I put them in a bucket again because I was moving them up a tank size, and shattered the tank. They remained in a bucket for over 6 hours while I went and bought a used tank and set it up with all their old media.

Two days after putting them in the new tank, one of the males started amplexus again. After some trial and error where another male was trying to get in on the action and I had a three frog stack going for an hour or two, the capricious couple went behind the filter (the flow of which is turned into a slow trickle by a sponge), and did their business for a whopping 36 hours. I frequently checked up on them, counting my check-ins to be once every hour and a half after it hit the 24 hour mark. They broke their amplexus, but...

No eggs. None. Checked. Waited an hour. Checked. Searched repeatedly. No dice. I've got them in with some tall grass, amazon sword, java fern, java moss, elodea, frogbit, and duckweed. Plenty of spots to lay, I would say.

The problem is, there is absolutely no breeding info on these guys. Nobody knows how to breed them, or no one is telling people they know how to breed them. They're really not that uncommon as a pet! I don't even know if they lay eggs, or just keep them until they're ready. I thought they'd be like african dwarf frogs, or other common frogs. Amplexus, eggs, go. Right?

And now I'm hearing their weird calls again. Back to it? What are they doing, wearing froggy latex safety gear to prevent children?

Any input on this would be helpful. Can an amplexus that lasts that long end in failure? Could it be possible that they don't lay eggs, though they breed in water? Am I going to have to wait again? Who knows what will happen to Big Fatty's unfertilized eggs? Next time, on frog sex for the clueless.

No, but really. How do I get them to finish what their nature started, and get me some little tadpoles? I'd really like to get some documentation going on their breeding, since no one else has.
 

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As a note, I have noticed that both times they were in amplexus the male held the female at first in mid abdomen, and it slowly progressed to the armpits. The last twelve hours of their amplexus was held at the armpit. It seems to me that that would make a difference, if the male is trying to push the eggs out. Possible that that led to failure? Or do some species hold at the armpit?
 
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    She looks fine in appearance but she has been acting very lethargic and not eating unless I drop it right infront of her face
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    @Toothpickthelotl, Ah, that tank size seems adequate. I've got no clue.
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    What’s even weirder is I have a few live plants in the tank which I thought absorb nitrates. I’m wondering if maybe there’s some dead plant matter or something?
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    Oh, that could do it! The only time my nitrates got a bit high in my fbt tank is when there was a big mass of dead plant matter
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    my thread^
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    Some axolotls just have gills that naturally curl. If you're really worried, get an API test kit and retest your water. Strips are sometimes not the most accurate
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    @Sefagula, Thank you! I will be doing that as soon as I can!
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    @Michaelmiskimm167, Hey me too! same species
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  • Toothpickthelotl:
    Hi again guys! So my axie is currently in a tub and I did a large water change and my nitrates are still super high!! It looks like they maybe went down like 10 ppm. I am so confused and concerned. Should I be waiting until tomorrow to test the water again? Do I need like time after a water change to get accurate readings?
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  • Toothpickthelotl:
    I don’t understand what could be going on. There is no dying plant matter and I siphoned the sand and got as gunk much as I possibly could out of it. Could it maybe be the filter or something?
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  • Sefagula:
    What is the nitrate reading? Nitrates are fine to have in limited quantities, 5-15 ppm. The presence of nitrates suggests that your tank is cycled or atleast somewhat cycled. Check nitrites and ammonia since those will be the ones that will harm your axolotl the most.
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  • Sefagula:
    If you want your filter to be more effective, you can add some additional filter media such as bio balls or a foam sponge to increase the surface area that beneficial bacteria can reside on. I'm not sure what type of filter you use but canister filters and certain HOB filters such as the aquaclear have additional compartments for filter media.
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    @Sefagula, hi! I mentioned the nitrate level higher up in the chat, I’m realizing I should of stated it again for anyone new. My nitrates were reading above 80 ppm out of the blue. The other day when I checked they were at 10. It makes no sense. Nitrites and ammonia are 0. So strange right?
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  • Toothpickthelotl:
    Im going to keep doing water changes until I can keep the nitrates below 20. I have my axie in a tub with dechlorinated water and will change the water daily until I can get her back in the tank. She started acting funky a few days back after I did a water change, barely eating and lethargic. She seems to be doing better in the tub
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    80 ppm is extremely high and will definitely be harmful to your axolotl. I would strongly recommend getting the API freshwater test kit to get an accurate recording of ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate.
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    Also, since your axolotl is in a tub, you don't need to do as many water changes to your original tank. If you do too many water changes, it will stall the cycle and take longer for beneficial bacteria to build up
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    don’t worry, I have the kit. Ammonia and nitrite are reading 0. I was shocked to see the nitrate so high, especially with no ammonia. It makes no sense and is really confusing me
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    okay, how often should I do water changes while she’s in the tub? Do u have any advice for getting the nitrates down?
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    Water changes are really your best bet for getting nitrates down. I would do 25-30% every week since you're doing fishless cycling and you don't have to worry about anything being harmed
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    My bad I keep saying to get the API test kit. I keep thinking I'm talking to different people
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  • Sefagula:
    Ammonia and nitrites should be at zero or close to zero. A cycled tank means that there's really only the presence of nitrates. However you do have too much. Try another 30-40% water change and see what the nitrate levels are.
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